[arin-ppml] ARIN-2025-4: Resource Issuance to Natural Persons -- Request for Feedback

[Fernando Frediani]

That's actually a very good and valid point ! Thanks for bringing it up 
Noah.

Fernando

On 11/07/2025 16:12, Noah wrote:
> It's not a good policy. If individuals want to become members of an 
> RIR, that is fine.
>
> But when it comes to Internet Number Resources which we have seen some 
> claim to be properties or a commodity, this will create a precedent 
> where persons claim IP  addresses as personal property or part of 
> their estate or assets. They will then advance into courts to make 
> claims and the judges who do not have an idea how the RIR system works 
> will defend their property rights.
>
> Cheers,
> *.**/noah*
> *
> *
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 9:44 PM Douglas Camin <doug at dougcamin.com> wrote:
>
>     Scott -
>
>     I think the intent is to suggest that the community first focus on
>     the merits of the policy ahead the costs. This does not mean cost
>     is never a consideration, but at this juncture - this draft policy
>     is brand new and only received an early staff and legal because of
>     its legal implications - the questions to the community revolve
>     around “is this good policy or not."
>     Hope that helps -
>
>
>     Doug
>
>     --
>
>     Douglas J. Camin
>
>     doug at dougcamin.com
>
>     *From: *Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com>
>     *Date: *Friday, July 11, 2025 at 1:31 PM
>     *To: *arin-ppml <arin-ppml at arin.net>, Douglas Camin
>     <doug at dougcamin.com>
>     *Subject: *Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2025-4: Resource Issuance to
>     Natural Persons -- Request for Feedback
>
>     I wholeheartedly disagree. If the benefits of the policy change
>     don’t exceed the costs, it’s not good policy. I’m not convinced we
>     haven’t already wasted more of our collective time discussing this
>     policy than will ever be saved by the small number of individuals
>     who’d benefit from it (those who can’t easily apply as sole
>     proprietors).
>
>     -Scott
>     On Jul 11, 2025 at 9:43 AM -0700, Douglas Camin
>     <doug at dougcamin.com>, wrote:
>
>         Xavier -
>         Appreciate the feedback and question. When considering policy,
>         it’s encouraged to consider the policy exclusively on the
>         merits and not on cost. If it’s good policy, it should be
>         implemented and if not, it should be abandoned. This keeps us
>         focused on whether policy is sound or not. A sound policy can
>         be expensive, and an unsound one can be cheap.
>         Hope that helps, though I know it doesn’t directly answer your
>         question - we’d love to get your feedback on your views on
>         what we should do with the policy.
>         Thanks!
>         Doug
>         --
>         Douglas J. Camin
>         ARIN Advisory Council
>         doug at dougcamin.com
>         *From:* ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> on behalf of
>         Xavier via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net>
>         *Date:* Thursday, July 10, 2025 at 8:33 PM
>         *To:* Elizabeth Goodson <elizabeth.goodson at gmail.com>
>         *Cc:* ARIN-PPML at arin.net <ARIN-PPML at arin.net>
>         *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2025-4: Resource Issuance to
>         Natural Persons -- Request for Feedback
>
>         My feedback on this policy depends on what the "implementation
>         cost" (referenced in the last paragraph of the Legal Review
>         section) will be. Making it easier to access resources is
>         probably worth $10,000 but is probably not worth $250,000,
>         IMO. Do we have a ballpark estimate?
>
>         Thank you,
>         Xavier Clark
>         On Thursday, July 10th, 2025 at 7:27 PM, Elizabeth Goodson
>         <elizabeth.goodson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>             Hello PPML,
>
>             I'm shepherding this policy along with Doug Camin. We're
>             seeking direction from the community as to how the AC
>             should proceed with this policy. There was robust
>             conversation on PPML in late May and early June, which
>             tapered off quickly after the ARIN Staff and Legal
>             analysis was published.
>
>             https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2025_4/#staff-and-legal-review-3-june-2025
>
>             Should we
>             - abandon this policy,
>             - accept this policy as written, or
>             - continue to revise this policy?
>             We appreciate your feedback.
>             Thanks,
>             Liz Goodson
>
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