[arin-ppml] ARIN-2025-4: Resource Issuance to Natural Persons -- Request for Feedback

[Bradan Fleming]

I'm not a lawyer, but I assume that this is already possible
considering that individuals are able to register as sole proprietors.
Any assets owned by the proprietor are presumably owned by the
individual, and I expect that they'd become part of their estate upon
their death.

Regardless, this is a good point, and I'd be curious to know about
other potential legal risks.

Best,
Bradan Fleming

On Fri, 2025-07-11 at 22:12 +0300, Noah wrote:
> It's not a good policy. If individuals want to become members of an
> RIR, that is fine.
> 
> But when it comes to Internet Number Resources which we have seen
> some claim to be properties or a commodity, this will create a
> precedent where persons claim IP  addresses as personal property or
> part of their estate or assets. They will then advance into courts to
> make claims and the judges who do not have an idea how the RIR
> system works will defend their property rights.
> 
> Cheers,
> ./noah
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 9:44 PM Douglas Camin <doug at dougcamin.com>
> wrote:
> > 
> > Scott - 
> > 
> > 
> > I think the intent is to suggest that the community first focus on
> > the merits of the policy ahead the costs. This does not mean cost
> > is never a consideration, but at this juncture - this draft policy
> > is brand new and only received an early staff and legal because of
> > its legal implications - the questions to the community revolve
> > around “is this good policy or not."
> >  
> > Hope that helps - 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Doug
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> >  
> > --
> > Douglas J. Camin
> > doug at dougcamin.com
> > 
> > 
> > From: Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com>
> > Date: Friday, July 11, 2025 at 1:31 PM
> > To: arin-ppml <arin-ppml at arin.net>, Douglas Camin
> > <doug at dougcamin.com>
> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2025-4: Resource Issuance to Natural
> > Persons -- Request for Feedback
> > 
> > I wholeheartedly disagree. If the benefits of the policy change
> > don’t exceed the costs, it’s not good policy. I’m not convinced we
> > haven’t already wasted more of our collective time discussing this
> > policy than will ever be saved by the small number of individuals
> > who’d benefit from it (those who can’t easily apply as sole
> > proprietors).
> > 
> > -Scott
> > On Jul 11, 2025 at 9:43 AM -0700, Douglas Camin
> > <doug at dougcamin.com>, wrote:
> >  
> > > Xavier - 
> > >  
> > > Appreciate the feedback and question. When considering policy,
> > > it’s encouraged to consider the policy exclusively on the merits
> > > and not on cost. If it’s good policy, it should be implemented
> > > and if not, it should be abandoned. This keeps us focused on
> > > whether policy is sound or not. A sound policy can be expensive,
> > > and an unsound one can be cheap. 
> > >  
> > > Hope that helps, though I know it doesn’t directly answer your
> > > question - we’d love to get your feedback on your views on what
> > > we should do with the policy. 
> > >  
> > > Thanks!
> > >  
> > >  
> > > Doug
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > > --
> > > Douglas J. Camin
> > > ARIN Advisory Council
> > > 
> > > doug at dougcamin.com
> > >  
> > > 
> > > From: ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> on behalf of Xavier
> > > via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> > > Date: Thursday, July 10, 2025 at 8:33 PM
> > > To: Elizabeth Goodson <elizabeth.goodson at gmail.com>
> > > Cc: ARIN-PPML at arin.net <ARIN-PPML at arin.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2025-4: Resource Issuance to
> > > Natural Persons -- Request for Feedback
> > > 
> > >  
> > > My feedback on this policy depends on what the "implementation
> > > cost" (referenced in the last paragraph of the Legal Review
> > > section) will be. Making it easier to access resources is
> > > probably worth $10,000 but is probably not worth $250,000, IMO.
> > > Do we have a ballpark estimate?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thank you,
> > > Xavier Clark
> > >  
> > > On Thursday, July 10th, 2025 at 7:27 PM, Elizabeth Goodson
> > > <elizabeth.goodson at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hello PPML,
> > > > 
> > > > I'm shepherding this policy along with Doug Camin. We're
> > > > seeking direction from the community as to how the AC should
> > > > proceed with this policy. There was robust conversation on PPML
> > > > in late May and early June, which tapered off quickly after the
> > > > ARIN Staff and Legal analysis was published.
> > > > 
> > > > https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2025_4/#staff-and-legal-review-3-june-2025
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > Should we
> > > > - abandon this policy,
> > > > - accept this policy as written, or
> > > > - continue to revise this policy?
> > > >  
> > > > We appreciate your feedback.
> > > >  
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Liz Goodson
> > >  
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