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</style></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div>I'm not a lawyer, but I assume that this is already possible considering that individuals are able to register as sole proprietors. Any assets owned by the proprietor are presumably owned by the individual, and I expect that they'd become part of their estate upon their death.</div><div><br></div><div>Regardless, this is a good point, and I'd be curious to know about other potential legal risks.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Bradan Fleming</div><div><br></div><div>On Fri, 2025-07-11 at 22:12 +0300, Noah wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>It's not a good policy. If individuals want to become members of an RIR, that is fine.</div><div><br></div><div>But when it comes to Internet Number Resources which we have seen some claim to be properties or a commodity, this will create a precedent where persons claim IP addresses as personal property or part of their estate or assets. They will then advance into courts to make claims and the judges who do not have an idea how the RIR system works will defend their property rights.</div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Cheers,</div><div><b>.</b><b>/noah</b></div><div><b><br></b></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 9:44 PM Douglas Camin <<a href="mailto:doug@dougcamin.com">doug@dougcamin.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>
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<br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I think the intent is to suggest that the community first focus on the merits of the policy ahead the costs. This does not mean cost is never a consideration, but at this juncture - this draft policy is brand new and only received an early staff and legal because of its legal implications - the questions to the community revolve around “is this good policy or not."</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> </div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Hope that helps - </div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
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<b>From: </b>Scott Leibrand <<a href="mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com" target="_blank">scottleibrand@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Friday, July 11, 2025 at 1:31 PM<br><b>To: </b>arin-ppml <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>>, Douglas Camin <<a href="mailto:doug@dougcamin.com" target="_blank">doug@dougcamin.com</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2025-4: Resource Issuance to Natural Persons -- Request for Feedback<br><br></div><div>I wholeheartedly disagree. If the benefits of the policy change don’t exceed the costs, it’s not good policy. I’m not convinced we haven’t already wasted more of our collective time discussing this policy than will ever be saved by the small number of individuals who’d benefit from it (those who can’t easily apply as sole proprietors).</div><div><br>-Scott</div><div>On Jul 11, 2025 at 9:43 AM -0700, Douglas Camin <<a href="mailto:doug@dougcamin.com" target="_blank">doug@dougcamin.com</a>>, wrote:<br> </div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Xavier - </div><div style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"> </div><div style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Appreciate the feedback and question. When considering policy, it’s encouraged to consider the policy exclusively on the merits and not on cost. If it’s good policy, it should be implemented and if not, it should be abandoned. This keeps us focused on whether policy is sound or not. A sound policy can be expensive, and an unsound one can be cheap. </div><div style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> </div><div style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Hope that helps, though I know it doesn’t directly answer your question - we’d love to get your feedback on your views on what we should do with the policy. </div><div style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> </div><div style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Thanks!</div><div style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> </div><div style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> </div><div style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Doug</div><div style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> </div><div style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> </div><div style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"> </div><div style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </div><div style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </div><div style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">--</div><div style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Douglas J. Camin</div><div style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">ARIN Advisory Council</div><div style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">
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<b>From:</b> ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>> on behalf of Xavier via ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br><b>Date:</b> Thursday, July 10, 2025 at 8:33 PM<br><b>To:</b> Elizabeth Goodson <<a href="mailto:elizabeth.goodson@gmail.com" target="_blank">elizabeth.goodson@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" target="_blank">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a> <<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" target="_blank">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2025-4: Resource Issuance to Natural Persons -- Request for Feedback<br><br> </div><div>My feedback on this policy depends on what the "implementation cost" (referenced in the last paragraph of the Legal Review section) will be. Making it easier to access resources is probably worth $10,000 but is probably not worth $250,000, IMO. Do we have a ballpark estimate?</div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">
<br>Thank you,<br>Xavier Clark</div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </div><div>On Thursday, July 10th, 2025 at 7:27 PM, Elizabeth Goodson <<a href="mailto:elizabeth.goodson@gmail.com" target="_blank">elizabeth.goodson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Hello PPML,</div><div><br>I'm shepherding this policy along with Doug Camin. We're seeking direction from the community as to how the AC should proceed with this policy. There was robust conversation on PPML in late May and early June, which tapered off quickly after the ARIN Staff and Legal analysis was published.</div><div><br><a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2025_4/#staff-and-legal-review-3-june-2025" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2025_4/#staff-and-legal-review-3-june-2025</a><br><br> </div><div>Should we<br>- abandon this policy,<br>- accept this policy as written, or<br>- continue to revise this policy?</div><div> </div><div>We appreciate your feedback.</div><div> </div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Liz Goodson</div></blockquote><div> </div><div>_______________________________________________<br>ARIN-PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" target="_blank">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a href="https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" target="_blank">https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>Please contact <a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a> if you experience any issues.<br> </div></blockquote></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br>ARIN-PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" target="_blank">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br></div><div><a href="https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>Please contact <a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a> if you experience any issues.<br></div></blockquote></div><pre>_______________________________________________</pre><pre>ARIN-PPML</pre><pre>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to</pre><pre>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).</pre><pre>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:</pre><pre><a href="https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml">https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a></pre><pre>Please contact <a href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a> if you experience any issues.</pre></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span></span></div></body></html>