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<p>That's actually a very good and valid point ! Thanks for bringing
it up Noah.</p>
<p>Fernando<br>
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<div>It's not a good policy. If individuals want to become
members of an RIR, that is fine.</div>
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<div>But when it comes to Internet Number Resources which we
have seen some claim to be properties or a commodity, this
will create a precedent where persons claim IP addresses as
personal property or part of their estate or assets. They will
then advance into courts to make claims and the judges who do
not have an idea how the RIR system works will defend their
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<div>Cheers,</div>
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I think the intent is to suggest that the community first
focus on the merits of the policy ahead the costs. This
does not mean cost is never a consideration, but at this
juncture - this draft policy is brand new and only
received an early staff and legal because of its legal
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<b>From: </b>Scott Leibrand <<a
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<b>Date: </b>Friday, July 11, 2025 at 1:31 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>arin-ppml <<a
href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>>,
Douglas Camin <<a href="mailto:doug@dougcamin.com"
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2025-4: Resource
Issuance to Natural Persons -- Request for Feedback<br>
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<div>I wholeheartedly disagree. If the benefits of the
policy change don’t exceed the costs, it’s not good
policy. I’m not convinced we haven’t already wasted more
of our collective time discussing this policy than will
ever be saved by the small number of individuals who’d
benefit from it (those who can’t easily apply as sole
proprietors).</div>
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-Scott</div>
<div>On Jul 11, 2025 at 9:43 AM -0700, Douglas Camin <<a
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Appreciate the feedback and question. When considering
policy, it’s encouraged to consider the policy
exclusively on the merits and not on cost. If it’s
good policy, it should be implemented and if not, it
should be abandoned. This keeps us focused on whether
policy is sound or not. A sound policy can be
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Hope that helps, though I know it doesn’t directly
answer your question - we’d love to get your feedback
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<b>From:</b> ARIN-PPML <<a
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on behalf of Xavier via ARIN-PPML <<a
href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>
<b>Date:</b> Thursday, July 10, 2025 at 8:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Elizabeth Goodson <<a
href="mailto:elizabeth.goodson@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">elizabeth.goodson@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2025-4: Resource
Issuance to Natural Persons -- Request for Feedback<br>
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<div>My feedback on this policy depends on what the
"implementation cost" (referenced in the last
paragraph of the Legal Review section) will be. Making
it easier to access resources is probably worth
$10,000 but is probably not worth $250,000, IMO. Do we
have a ballpark estimate?</div>
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Thank you,<br>
Xavier Clark</div>
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<div>On Thursday, July 10th, 2025 at 7:27 PM, Elizabeth
Goodson <<a
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<div>Hello PPML,</div>
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I'm shepherding this policy along with Doug Camin.
We're seeking direction from the community as to how
the AC should proceed with this policy. There was
robust conversation on PPML in late May and early
June, which tapered off quickly after the ARIN Staff
and Legal analysis was published.</div>
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<div>Should we<br>
- abandon this policy,<br>
- accept this policy as written, or<br>
- continue to revise this policy?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>We appreciate your feedback.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Liz Goodson</div>
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