[arin-ppml] ARIN-2025-4: Resource Issuance to Natural Persons -- Request for Feedback

[Noah]

It's not a good policy. If individuals want to become members of an RIR,
that is fine.

But when it comes to Internet Number Resources which we have seen some
claim to be properties or a commodity, this will create a precedent where
persons claim IP  addresses as personal property or part of their estate or
assets. They will then advance into courts to make claims and the judges
who do not have an idea how the RIR system works will defend their property
rights.

Cheers,
*.**/noah*



On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 9:44 PM Douglas Camin <doug at dougcamin.com> wrote:

> Scott -
>
> I think the intent is to suggest that the community first focus on the
> merits of the policy ahead the costs. This does not mean cost is never a
> consideration, but at this juncture - this draft policy is brand new and
> only received an early staff and legal because of its legal implications -
> the questions to the community revolve around “is this good policy or not."
>
> Hope that helps -
>
>
> Doug
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Douglas J. Camin
>
> doug at dougcamin.com
> *From: *Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Friday, July 11, 2025 at 1:31 PM
> *To: *arin-ppml <arin-ppml at arin.net>, Douglas Camin <doug at dougcamin.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2025-4: Resource Issuance to Natural
> Persons -- Request for Feedback
>
> I wholeheartedly disagree. If the benefits of the policy change don’t
> exceed the costs, it’s not good policy. I’m not convinced we haven’t
> already wasted more of our collective time discussing this policy than will
> ever be saved by the small number of individuals who’d benefit from it
> (those who can’t easily apply as sole proprietors).
>
> -Scott
> On Jul 11, 2025 at 9:43 AM -0700, Douglas Camin <doug at dougcamin.com>,
> wrote:
>
>
> Xavier -
>
> Appreciate the feedback and question. When considering policy, it’s
> encouraged to consider the policy exclusively on the merits and not on
> cost. If it’s good policy, it should be implemented and if not, it should
> be abandoned. This keeps us focused on whether policy is sound or not. A
> sound policy can be expensive, and an unsound one can be cheap.
>
> Hope that helps, though I know it doesn’t directly answer your question -
> we’d love to get your feedback on your views on what we should do with the
> policy.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Doug
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Douglas J. Camin
> ARIN Advisory Council
> doug at dougcamin.com
>
> *From:* ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> on behalf of Xavier via
> ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> *Date:* Thursday, July 10, 2025 at 8:33 PM
> *To:* Elizabeth Goodson <elizabeth.goodson at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* ARIN-PPML at arin.net <ARIN-PPML at arin.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2025-4: Resource Issuance to Natural
> Persons -- Request for Feedback
>
>
> My feedback on this policy depends on what the "implementation cost"
> (referenced in the last paragraph of the Legal Review section) will be.
> Making it easier to access resources is probably worth $10,000 but is
> probably not worth $250,000, IMO. Do we have a ballpark estimate?
>
> Thank you,
> Xavier Clark
>
> On Thursday, July 10th, 2025 at 7:27 PM, Elizabeth Goodson <
> elizabeth.goodson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello PPML,
>
> I'm shepherding this policy along with Doug Camin. We're seeking direction
> from the community as to how the AC should proceed with this policy. There
> was robust conversation on PPML in late May and early June, which tapered
> off quickly after the ARIN Staff and Legal analysis was published.
>
>
> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2025_4/#staff-and-legal-review-3-june-2025
>
>
> Should we
> - abandon this policy,
> - accept this policy as written, or
> - continue to revise this policy?
>
> We appreciate your feedback.
>
> Thanks,
> Liz Goodson
>
>
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