[arin-ppml] Revised - ARIN-2024-7: Addition of Definitions for General and Special Purpose IP Addresses

Wed Feb 26 21:11:44 EST 2025

On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 21:04 Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Adding that definition alone, without anything referencing it, seems
> pretty pointless to me. Getting active consensus for a definition (by
> anything other than apathetic acceptance) seems difficult without any
> context for how the definition will be used.
>
> IMO anyone with a use for a new definition should propose their new policy
> text, along with the supporting definition, as a new proposal, and we
> should abandon this one.
>
> -Scott
>

This makes sense to me.

> On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 4:28 PM Pellak, Kaitlyn <kaitjean at amazon.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Scott,
>>
>>
>>
>> To clarify, the current draft policy is to propose the addition of a
>> definition for IP addresses that are reserved for specific purposes by ARIN:
>>
>>
>>
>> Policy Statement:
>>
>>
>> Add the following definition to Section 2
>>
>>
>> 2.18 Reserved IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses
>> Addresses that are reserved by ARIN for specific purposes including, but
>> not limited to; maintaining critical infrastructure, facilitating IPv6
>> deployment, or temporary experimental purposes as approved by ARIN.
>>
>>
>> Timetable for Implementation: Immediate.
>>
>>
>>
>> The change to text I included in my request for feedback was an example
>> of how the definition could be put into place, only *if* the proposed
>> definition were added to the NRPM. We felt that gaining community input on
>> the definition itself would be the first step and if it the definition were
>> to be accepted then a follow-up policy to enact the changes in the NRPM
>> would be submitted.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you have thoughts about the current language in the proposed
>> definition that would be helpful in determining whether or not we should
>> move forward.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kaitlyn
>>
>>
>>
>> Kaitlyn Pellak
>>
>> Amazon – Technical Business Developer II
>>
>> kaitjean at amazon.com
>>
>> 301.921.5566
>>
>>
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>> *From: *Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com>
>>
>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, February 26, 2025 at 7:09 PM
>> *To: *Kaitlyn Pellak <kaitjean at amazon.com>
>> *Cc: *ARIN <info at arin.net>, "arin-ppml at arin.net" <arin-ppml at arin.net>
>> *Subject: *RE: [EXTERNAL] [arin-ppml] Revised - ARIN-2024-7: Addition of
>> Definitions for General and Special Purpose IP Addresses
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> That would be a very substantial change. It should be proposed
>> separately.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't see the point of making changes to definitions that aren't
>> referenced anywhere. If you want to add a new definition in order to more
>> clearly make a substantive policy change, then that definition (and the
>> text referencing it) should be included in the substantive policy proposal.
>> If we decide not to make the substantive change, we don't need to change
>> definitions either.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Scott
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 9:22 AM Pellak, Kaitlyn via ARIN-PPML <
>> arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hello PPML,
>>
>> I am soliciting any additional feedback the community may have on the
>> below policy. Please note, we received one comment suggesting that rather
>> than using the term "2.18 Reserved IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses" we could
>> instead use the term "Defined Purpose IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses." If anyone
>> in the community feels this is better language (or has a suggestion for
>> different language) please respond accordingly.
>>
>> If the community are able to agree on language surrounding a definition
>> there would be subsequent policies to update the language in the NRPM to
>> match. The author provided an example of what that may look like as follows:
>>
>> "Section 4.3.2
>>
>> Change paragraph 1 text
>> FROM: “End-user organizations without an IPv4 allocation from ARIN
>> qualify for
>> an initial allocation of ARIN’s minimum allocation size.”
>> TO: “End-user organizations without a Reserved (or Defined Purpose) IPv4
>> allocation
>> from ARIN qualify for an initial allocation of ARIN’s minimum allocation
>> size.”"
>>
>> Given the lack of responses we've received thus far I would also like to
>> pose the question to the community: do you feel that this is a policy the
>> AC should continue to work on?
>>
>> Again, if the community feels strongly one way or another please respond
>> in the PPML so we can gain a sense of whether or not this policy has
>> community support.
>>
>> Much appreciated,
>> Kaitlyn
>>
>> Kaitlyn Pellak
>> Amazon – Technical Business Developer II
>> kaitjean at amazon.com <mailto:martesmm at amazon.com>
>> 301.921.5566
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> On 12/13/24, 1:42 PM, "ARIN-PPML on behalf of ARIN" <
>> arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> on behalf
>> of info at arin.net <mailto:info at arin.net>> wrote:
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>> The following Draft Policy has been revised:
>>
>>
>> * ARIN-2024-7: Addition of Definitions for General and Special Purpose IP
>> Addresses
>>
>>
>> Revised text is below and can be found at:
>>
>>
>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2024_7/ <
>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2024_7/>
>>
>>
>> You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will
>> evaluate the discussion to assess the conformance of this Draft Policy with
>> ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the
>> Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:
>>
>>
>> * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
>> * Technically Sound
>> * Supported by the Community
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The PDP can be found at:
>>
>>
>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/ <
>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
>>
>>
>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/ <
>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Eddie Diego
>> Policy Analyst
>> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Draft Policy ARIN-2024-7: Addition of Definitions for General and Special
>> Purpose IP Addresses
>>
>>
>> Problem Statement:
>>
>>
>> The Number Resource Policy Manual (NRPM) often treats general purpose and
>> special purpose IP addresses differently. Unfortunately, we don’t have a
>> convenient to use term to describe these categories, so policy often
>> becomes either excessively wordy or does not correctly capture the intent.
>> Examples of this can be found in section 4.1.8 of the NRPM, and in
>> (currently pending) Draft Policies ARIN-2023-8 (where the fact that 4.4 and
>> 4.10 space isn’t counted against an organization is repeated numerous
>> times) and ARIN-2022-12 (where the text does not exclude 4.4 and 4.10
>> allocations from being counted against an organization, but it is the
>> intent that those allocations should be ignored). Additionally, temporary
>> allocations under section 11 are rarely carved out, even when 4.4 and 4.10
>> are, even though it is likely the policy’s intent that these too should be
>> ignored.
>>
>>
>> Policy Statement:
>>
>>
>> Add the following definition to Section 2
>>
>>
>> 2.18 Reserved IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses
>> Addresses that are reserved by ARIN for specific purposes including, but
>> not limited to; maintaining critical infrastructure, facilitating IPv6
>> deployment, or temporary experimental purposes as approved by ARIN.
>>
>>
>> Timetable for Implementation: Immediate.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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