<div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 21:04 Scott Leibrand <<a href="mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com">scottleibrand@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr">Adding that definition alone, without anything referencing it, seems pretty pointless to me. Getting active consensus for a definition (by anything other than apathetic acceptance) seems difficult without any context for how the definition will be used.<div><br><div>IMO anyone with a use for a new definition should propose their new policy text, along with the supporting definition, as a new proposal, and we should abandon this one.</div><div><br></div><div>-Scott</div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This makes sense to me.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="auto"></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 4:28 PM Pellak, Kaitlyn <<a href="mailto:kaitjean@amazon.com" target="_blank">kaitjean@amazon.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">To clarify, the current draft policy is to propose the addition of a definition for IP addresses that are reserved for specific purposes by ARIN:<u style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></u><u style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></u></span></p>
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2.18 Reserved IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses<br>
Addresses that are reserved by ARIN for specific purposes including, but not limited to; maintaining critical infrastructure, facilitating IPv6 deployment, or temporary experimental purposes as approved by ARIN.<br>
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Timetable for Implementation: Immediate.<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></u><u style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The change to text I included in my request for feedback was an example of how the definition could be put into place, only
<b style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">if</b> the proposed definition were added to the NRPM. We felt that gaining community input on the definition itself would be the first step and if it the definition were to be accepted then a follow-up policy to enact the changes in the NRPM would be submitted.<u style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></u><u style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">If you have thoughts about the current language in the proposed definition that would be helpful in determining whether or not we should move forward.<u style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></u><u style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Thanks,<u style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></u><u style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Kaitlyn<u style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></u><u style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></u></span></p>
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<b style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Date: </b>Wednesday, February 26, 2025 at 7:09 PM<br>
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<b style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Subject: </b>RE: [EXTERNAL] [arin-ppml] Revised - ARIN-2024-7: Addition of Definitions for General and Special Purpose IP Addresses<u style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></u><u style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That would be a very substantial change. It should be proposed separately.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don't see the point of making changes to definitions that aren't referenced anywhere. If you want to add a new definition in order to more clearly make a substantive policy change, then that definition (and the text referencing it) should
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I am soliciting any additional feedback the community may have on the below policy. Please note, we received one comment suggesting that rather than using the term "2.18 Reserved IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses" we could instead use the term "Defined Purpose IPv4 and
IPv6 Addresses." If anyone in the community feels this is better language (or has a suggestion for different language) please respond accordingly.
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If the community are able to agree on language surrounding a definition there would be subsequent policies to update the language in the NRPM to match. The author provided an example of what that may look like as follows:<br>
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Change paragraph 1 text<br>
FROM: “End-user organizations without an IPv4 allocation from ARIN qualify for<br>
an initial allocation of ARIN’s minimum allocation size.”<br>
TO: “End-user organizations without a Reserved (or Defined Purpose) IPv4 allocation<br>
from ARIN qualify for an initial allocation of ARIN’s minimum allocation size.”"<br>
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Given the lack of responses we've received thus far I would also like to pose the question to the community: do you feel that this is a policy the AC should continue to work on?
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Again, if the community feels strongly one way or another please respond in the PPML so we can gain a sense of whether or not this policy has community support.<br>
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Much appreciated,<br>
Kaitlyn<br>
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The following Draft Policy has been revised:<br>
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* ARIN-2024-7: Addition of Definitions for General and Special Purpose IP Addresses<br>
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Revised text is below and can be found at:<br>
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<a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2024_7/" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2024_7/</a> <<a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2024_7/" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2024_7/</a>><br>
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You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will evaluate the discussion to assess the conformance of this Draft Policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically,
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* Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration<br>
* Technically Sound<br>
* Supported by the Community<br>
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The PDP can be found at:<br>
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Eddie Diego<br>
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Draft Policy ARIN-2024-7: Addition of Definitions for General and Special Purpose IP Addresses<br>
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Problem Statement:<br>
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The Number Resource Policy Manual (NRPM) often treats general purpose and special purpose IP addresses differently. Unfortunately, we don’t have a convenient to use term to describe these categories, so policy often becomes either excessively wordy or does
not correctly capture the intent. Examples of this can be found in section 4.1.8 of the NRPM, and in (currently pending) Draft Policies ARIN-2023-8 (where the fact that 4.4 and 4.10 space isn’t counted against an organization is repeated numerous times) and
ARIN-2022-12 (where the text does not exclude 4.4 and 4.10 allocations from being counted against an organization, but it is the intent that those allocations should be ignored). Additionally, temporary allocations under section 11 are rarely carved out, even
when 4.4 and 4.10 are, even though it is likely the policy’s intent that these too should be ignored.<br>
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Policy Statement:<br>
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Add the following definition to Section 2<br>
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2.18 Reserved IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses<br>
Addresses that are reserved by ARIN for specific purposes including, but not limited to; maintaining critical infrastructure, facilitating IPv6 deployment, or temporary experimental purposes as approved by ARIN.<br>
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Timetable for Implementation: Immediate.<br>
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