[arin-ppml] Revised - ARIN-2024-7: Addition of Definitions for General and Special Purpose IP Addresses

Wed Feb 26 21:03:47 EST 2025

Adding that definition alone, without anything referencing it, seems pretty
pointless to me. Getting active consensus for a definition (by anything
other than apathetic acceptance) seems difficult without any context for
how the definition will be used.

IMO anyone with a use for a new definition should propose their new policy
text, along with the supporting definition, as a new proposal, and we
should abandon this one.

-Scott

On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 4:28 PM Pellak, Kaitlyn <kaitjean at amazon.com> wrote:

> Scott,
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> To clarify, the current draft policy is to propose the addition of a
> definition for IP addresses that are reserved for specific purposes by ARIN:
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> Policy Statement:
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> Add the following definition to Section 2
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> 2.18 Reserved IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses
> Addresses that are reserved by ARIN for specific purposes including, but
> not limited to; maintaining critical infrastructure, facilitating IPv6
> deployment, or temporary experimental purposes as approved by ARIN.
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> Timetable for Implementation: Immediate.
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> The change to text I included in my request for feedback was an example of
> how the definition could be put into place, only *if* the proposed
> definition were added to the NRPM. We felt that gaining community input on
> the definition itself would be the first step and if it the definition were
> to be accepted then a follow-up policy to enact the changes in the NRPM
> would be submitted.
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> If you have thoughts about the current language in the proposed definition
> that would be helpful in determining whether or not we should move forward.
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> Thanks,
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> Kaitlyn
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> Kaitlyn Pellak
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> Amazon – Technical Business Developer II
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> kaitjean at amazon.com
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> 301.921.5566
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> *From: *Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, February 26, 2025 at 7:09 PM
> *To: *Kaitlyn Pellak <kaitjean at amazon.com>
> *Cc: *ARIN <info at arin.net>, "arin-ppml at arin.net" <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> *Subject: *RE: [EXTERNAL] [arin-ppml] Revised - ARIN-2024-7: Addition of
> Definitions for General and Special Purpose IP Addresses
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> That would be a very substantial change. It should be proposed separately.
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> I don't see the point of making changes to definitions that aren't
> referenced anywhere. If you want to add a new definition in order to more
> clearly make a substantive policy change, then that definition (and the
> text referencing it) should be included in the substantive policy proposal.
> If we decide not to make the substantive change, we don't need to change
> definitions either.
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> -Scott
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> On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 9:22 AM Pellak, Kaitlyn via ARIN-PPML <
> arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
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> Hello PPML,
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> I am soliciting any additional feedback the community may have on the
> below policy. Please note, we received one comment suggesting that rather
> than using the term "2.18 Reserved IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses" we could
> instead use the term "Defined Purpose IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses." If anyone
> in the community feels this is better language (or has a suggestion for
> different language) please respond accordingly.
>
> If the community are able to agree on language surrounding a definition
> there would be subsequent policies to update the language in the NRPM to
> match. The author provided an example of what that may look like as follows:
>
> "Section 4.3.2
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> Change paragraph 1 text
> FROM: “End-user organizations without an IPv4 allocation from ARIN qualify
> for
> an initial allocation of ARIN’s minimum allocation size.”
> TO: “End-user organizations without a Reserved (or Defined Purpose) IPv4
> allocation
> from ARIN qualify for an initial allocation of ARIN’s minimum allocation
> size.”"
>
> Given the lack of responses we've received thus far I would also like to
> pose the question to the community: do you feel that this is a policy the
> AC should continue to work on?
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> Again, if the community feels strongly one way or another please respond
> in the PPML so we can gain a sense of whether or not this policy has
> community support.
>
> Much appreciated,
> Kaitlyn
>
> Kaitlyn Pellak
> Amazon – Technical Business Developer II
> kaitjean at amazon.com <mailto:martesmm at amazon.com>
> 301.921.5566
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> On 12/13/24, 1:42 PM, "ARIN-PPML on behalf of ARIN" <
> arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> on behalf
> of info at arin.net <mailto:info at arin.net>> wrote:
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> The following Draft Policy has been revised:
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> * ARIN-2024-7: Addition of Definitions for General and Special Purpose IP
> Addresses
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> Revised text is below and can be found at:
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> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2024_7/ <
> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2024_7/>
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> You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will
> evaluate the discussion to assess the conformance of this Draft Policy with
> ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the
> Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:
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> * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
> * Technically Sound
> * Supported by the Community
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> The PDP can be found at:
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> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/ <
> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/>
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> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
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> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/ <
> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/>
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> Regards,
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> Eddie Diego
> Policy Analyst
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
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> Draft Policy ARIN-2024-7: Addition of Definitions for General and Special
> Purpose IP Addresses
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> Problem Statement:
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> The Number Resource Policy Manual (NRPM) often treats general purpose and
> special purpose IP addresses differently. Unfortunately, we don’t have a
> convenient to use term to describe these categories, so policy often
> becomes either excessively wordy or does not correctly capture the intent.
> Examples of this can be found in section 4.1.8 of the NRPM, and in
> (currently pending) Draft Policies ARIN-2023-8 (where the fact that 4.4 and
> 4.10 space isn’t counted against an organization is repeated numerous
> times) and ARIN-2022-12 (where the text does not exclude 4.4 and 4.10
> allocations from being counted against an organization, but it is the
> intent that those allocations should be ignored). Additionally, temporary
> allocations under section 11 are rarely carved out, even when 4.4 and 4.10
> are, even though it is likely the policy’s intent that these too should be
> ignored.
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> Policy Statement:
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> Add the following definition to Section 2
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> 2.18 Reserved IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses
> Addresses that are reserved by ARIN for specific purposes including, but
> not limited to; maintaining critical infrastructure, facilitating IPv6
> deployment, or temporary experimental purposes as approved by ARIN.
>
>
> Timetable for Implementation: Immediate.
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