[arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 238, Issue 43
Preston Ursini
preston at thefirehorn.com
Sun Apr 27 20:31:07 EDT 2025
Mohibul:
The proposal is live at https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/proposals/2025/ARIN_prop_343/
The policy shepherds have already engaged on some verbiage changes they need which I will work on having to them next week.
It is definitely too late for it to become policy at ARIN 55, but hopefully it can have some initial discussion there; and then be fully buttoned up for ARIN 56.
Preston Louis Ursini
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> 1. Re: Distributing Resources for Individuals ? Next Steps
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> Hello everyone,
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> Thank you, Preston, for taking the initiative to submit an official policy
> proposal regarding the distribution of resources to individuals.
>
>
>
> I truly appreciate the thoughtful discussions that have taken place on this
> topic over the past few weeks.
>
>
>
> As someone who initially suggested that ARIN study the practices from RIPE
> and APNIC in an official staff report (to better understand the
> trade-offs), I am pleased to see the community moving toward concrete
> action.
>
>
>
> I would be very interested in seeing a preliminary version of the proposed
> text, if possible, and would also encourage that we continue exploring:
>
> - Lessons learned from other RIRs' approaches to individual allocations.
> - Potential operational impacts (verification processes, anti-abuse
> mechanisms).
> - How to maintain fairness and transparency while broadening access.
>
>
>
> Looking forward to continuing this conversation during ARIN 55 and beyond!
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mohibul
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>> 1. Re: distributing resources for individuals (Preston Ursini)
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>> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2025 17:10:49 -0500
>> From: Preston Ursini <preston at thefirehorn.com>
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>> I believe there has been ample evidence from the community and first hand
>> evidence introduced to justify this being made into a policy proposal.
>>
>> I?ve sent an official policy proposal to policy at arin.net <mailto:
>> policy at arin.net> ; hopefully this can be shepherded in with full ARIN
>> support by ARIN 56, with some sort of preliminary discussion even possible
>> at ARIN 55.
>>
>> Preston Louis Ursini
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>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals
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>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Since RIPE and APNIC have variations in how individuals can receive
>>> resources, would it make sense for ARIN to document and review lessons
>> from
>>> those models in an official staff assessment or community report?
>>>
>>> This might help the community better evaluate the trade-offs before
>>> considering any changes to our own policies.
>>>
>>> -Mohibul
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>>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 12:43?PM <arin-ppml-request at arin.net> wrote:
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>>>> Today's Topics:
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>>>> 1. Re: distributing resources for individuals (Owen DeLong)
>>>> 2. Re: distributing resources for individuals (John Curran)
>>>> 3. Re: distributing resources for individuals (David Farmer)
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 09:13:23 -0700
>>>> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
>>>> To: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net>
>>>> Cc: Paul E McNary <pmcnary at cameron.net>, arin-ppml at arin.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals
>>>> Message-ID: <E660BC18-763B-49C5-903B-AF8822BFA2EB at delong.com>
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>>>> While your statement is technically true, what they do not provide is an
>>>> authoritative proof that an entity does not exist as a legal entity
>> which
>>>> can be verified. In fact, not all states registries will even allow the
>>>> listing of sole proprietorships without a fictitious name and some of
>> those
>>>> states won?t allow fictitious name use of the individual?s legal name.
>>>>
>>>> I doubt you would find any of the following organizations which legally
>>>> exist in California in the SOS registry:
>>>> Delong Consulting
>>>> Owen DeLong and Family
>>>> Purple Politico
>>>>
>>>> This doesn?t prevent two of them from appearing on schedule C forms and
>> it
>>>> hasn?t prevented ARIN from taking money from the third for decades for
>>>> resources being registered to it.
>>>>
>>>> ARIN?s misuse of SOS registries as an authoritative source of proof an
>>>> organization doesn?t exist is what is the crux of the issue here.
>>>>
>>>> When DNS returns NXDOMAIN from an authoritative server, you know that
>> that
>>>> record doesn?t exist. This is not the case with SOS registries. All you
>> can
>>>> get from them is that the organization definitely exists or absent a
>>>> record, that the organization may or may not exist.
>>>>
>>>> Owen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 17, 2025, at 18:12, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Paul -
>>>>>
>>>>> At explained to you on several occasions (including in-person at
>> WISPA),
>>>> ARIN conducts a business entity search within your state?s registry and
>>>> that returns corporations, partnerships, sole proprietorships, DBA
>> names,
>>>> etc. Secretary of State business entity registries provide
>> public-facing,
>>>> authoritative records confirming that an organization exists as a legal
>>>> entity which can be verified for every state in a clear, consistent, and
>>>> neutral manner.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> /John
>>>>>
>>>>> John Curran
>>>>> President and CEO
>>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 17, 2025, at 8:42?PM, Paul E McNary <pmcnary at cameron.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ARIN wouldn't accept my City, County, business licenses or my state
>>>> business IDs from Department of Revenue on a business that I started in
>>>> ,1979. Why?
>>>>>
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>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 16:41:59 +0000
>>>> From: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net>
>>>> To: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
>>>> Cc: "arin-ppml at arin.net" <arin-ppml at arin.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals
>>>> Message-ID: <81862092-4450-4E9E-9D86-C56A07EAB85F at arin.net>
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>>>> On Apr 18, 2025, at 11:42?AM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> IMHO the best tact at this point may well be to submit both ACSP and
>>>> policy proposals which provide for ARIN to issue resources to
>> individuals
>>>> as unregistered (by state) sole proprietorships.
>>>>
>>>> While ARIN follows current NRPM by issuing to resources to organizations
>>>> (and encourages individuals to utilize the sole proprietor option or dba
>>>> for compliance), a policy change to provide number resource issuance
>>>> specifically to individuals is certainly something that this community
>>>> could consider. The problem statement would appear to be (as you
>> suggest
>>>> above) something along the lines of: ?Resolve inability of ARIN to
>>>> issuance IPv4/IPv6/ASN number resources directly to individuals."
>>>>
>>>> Doing so via the policy process would make sure that any germane policy
>>>> nuances (e.g. issuance to individuals under ISP vs end-user policy,
>> waiting
>>>> list policy, etc.) get appropraite consideration when applied to
>>>> individual resource holders.
>>>>
>>>> (I do not believe that any ACSP is necessary, as Impact to ARIN's
>> existing
>>>> operational practices and any implications for directly serving
>> individuals
>>>> are the type of issue that can be explored in the staff and legal
>> review. )
>>>>
>>>> FYI,
>>>> /John
>>>>
>>>> John Curran
>>>> President and CEO
>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 11:42:20 -0500
>>>> From: David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu>
>>>> To: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
>>>> Cc: Ryan Hamel <ryan at rkhtech.org>, Preston Ursini
>>>> <preston at thefirehorn.com>, arin-ppml at arin.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals
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>>>> In my view, Secretary of State (SOS) registration is an easy button for
>>>> ARIN, and when available, that's fine. Nevertheless, I also expect ARIN
>> to
>>>> have processes and procedures in place when the SOS option is not
>>>> available. A sole proprietorship that is not registered with the SOS is
>>>> still a valid business in many states, and ARIN needs processes and
>>>> procedures in place to deal with that situation.
>>>>
>>>> Earlier, I referenced Section 9 and the flexibility in determining that
>> an
>>>> organization is operating in the ARIN; similar flexibility is needed in
>>>> determining whether an individual is operating as a business. I'll also
>>>> note that Section 9 is quite clear: registration in the ARIN region
>> alone
>>>> is not sufficient to determine whether an organization is operating in
>> the
>>>> ARIN region. Similarly, a lack of registration alone should not be
>>>> sufficient to find that an individual is not operating as a business.
>>>>
>>>> As to ARIN policy, it predominantly references organizations.
>> Individuals
>>>> only come up in the context of defining a Residential Customer. With
>> that
>>>> context, ARIN policy strongly assumes LIRs, ISPs, and end-users are
>>>> organizations, not individuals.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 11:05?AM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not all states will register a sole proprietorship under a person?s
>> legal
>>>>> name, making it difficult for some sole proprietorships to clear ARIN?s
>>>>> current requirements. Worse, individuals and sole proprietors who know
>>>>> which buttons to push on the ARIN staff seem to be able to get ORG-IDs
>>>>> without SOS registration while others seem to get rejected on that
>> basis.
>>>>>
>>>>> I?m not arguing that these ?exceptions? should go away, I?m arguing
>> that
>>>>> they should be more widely available and perhaps it is time to drop the
>>>>> ?organization? pretext altogether.
>>>>>
>>>>> Owen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 17, 2025, at 17:54, David Farmer via ARIN-PPML <
>>>> arin-ppml at arin.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?
>>>>> Ok, natural persons can be RIPE members in their own right, I guess I
>> was
>>>>> wrong, but you pay ?1,800 for membership. Where as with ARIN you start
>>>> at
>>>>> $250, even with potential state registration fees for a sole
>>>>> proprietorship, you probably still come out well ahead.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 19:43 David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Out of curiosity can you point me to the agreement on RIPE?s web site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 19:38 Ryan Hamel <ryan at rkhtech.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I signed an agreement with RIPE NCC, have an account in their portal,
>>>>>>> and had an ASN + IPv6 assignment...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ryan Hamel
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>> *From:* ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> on behalf of David
>>>>>>> Farmer via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net>
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 17, 2025 6:35:37 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* John Curran <jcurran at arin.net>
>>>>>>> *Cc:* Preston Ursini <preston at thefirehorn.com>; arin-ppml at arin.net <
>>>>>>> arin-ppml at arin.net>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, my understanding is that individuals don't get resources from
>>>>>>> RIPE either; Member Organizations do. You, as an individual, get
>>>>>>> resources from an LIR that is a RIPE Member, and the LIR gets the
>>>>>>> resources from RIPE, maintains the relationship with RIPE, and
>> assigns
>>>>>>> them to you. As an individual, your relationship is with the LIR, not
>>>> RIPE,
>>>>>>> unless I'm completely misunderstanding RIPE's policies and business
>>>>>>> practices.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A similar arrangement could be facilitated by an LIR (also known as
>> an
>>>>>>> ISP) that is an ARIN Member Organization. That isn't as common a
>>>> practice
>>>>>>> here in the ARIN Region. ARIN has a lower barrier to entry and deals
>>>>>>> directly with end-user organizations, but not end-users as
>> individuals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 6:51?PM John Curran <jcurran at arin.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Preston -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don?t think any of the present discussion has been predicated on
>>>> fraud
>>>>>>> concerns.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Note that ARIN currently has some extensive anti-fraud practices
>> that
>>>>>>> include various forms of government issued ID presentation and
>>>>>>> verification.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> /John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Curran
>>>>>>> President and CEO
>>>>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 17, 2025, at 7:39?PM, Preston Ursini <preston at thefirehorn.com
>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would I be correct in that there hasn?t been an actually policy
>>>> proposal
>>>>>>> submitted for this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe that whether or not this new policy were to be considered,
>>>>>>> that a copy of a government issued identification document be
>>>> submitted to
>>>>>>> the person signing the Registration Services Agreement whenever an
>>>> OrgID is
>>>>>>> issued. This can help immensely in tracking down fraud which seems
>> to
>>>> be a
>>>>>>> pillar concern.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For simplicity sake, I?d also say in any such policy allowing an
>>>>>>> Individual to obtain numbering assets simply be issued an OrgID just
>> as
>>>>>>> sole proprietors are as to minimize disruption to ARIN operations in
>>>>>>> implementing this policy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Preston Ursini
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 17, 2025, at 6:28?PM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Preston -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That?s a reasonable question (?why an individual cannot be accepted
>> as
>>>>>>> they are generally the same legal entity??)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You?re right that a sole proprietorship is legally tied to the
>>>>>>> individual behind it, but that doesn?t make it the same as issuing
>>>>>>> resources to individuals. At the time of ARIN?s formation (and for a
>>>>>>> suibstantial period before), number resources were issued to
>>>> organizations.
>>>>>>> The old netnumber.txt request forms made that clear, asking for ?the
>>>>>>> organization responsible for establishing the network? along with a
>>>> postal
>>>>>>> address. That model is what ARIN inherited when it was formed in
>> 1997,
>>>> and
>>>>>>> it?s what we continue to operate under.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While it?s true in theory that ARIN could adopt a model where it
>>>>>>> directly serves individuals, this would represent a significant
>>>> departure
>>>>>>> from the registry model we inherited and have operated under for
>>>> decades.
>>>>>>> Even though individuals and organizations can both be ?legal
>> entities,?
>>>>>>> that does not mean they are treated identically under law. For
>> example,
>>>>>>> companies that predominantly focus on serving businesses (often
>>>> referred to
>>>>>>> as B2B) are often subject to different laws, regulations, and tax
>>>> policy
>>>>>>> than those that hold themselves out to serve individuals. Thus,
>>>> shifting to
>>>>>>> a model that openly includes individuals could have significant
>>>> unintended
>>>>>>> implications for ARIN.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That doesn?t mean it can?t be done, but it would be important to
>>>>>>> understand the problem that such a change would solve. ARIN accepts
>>>>>>> incorporated entities, DBAs, sole proprietors, etc.?because we know
>>>>>>> networks are run by all kinds of operators. But in every case, we?re
>>>> still
>>>>>>> issuing to an organization, however minimal the structure might be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>> /John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Curran
>>>>>>> President and CEO
>>>>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 17, 2025, at 2:09?PM, Preston Ursini via ARIN-PPML <
>>>>>>> arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If a sole proprietorship is accepted, I am confused as to why an
>>>>>>> Individual cannot be accepted as they are generally the same legal
>>>> entity
>>>>>>> unless it is an individual?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are over 20,000 political subdivisions within the United States
>>>>>>> when you count cities, counties, townships, etc., all with their own
>>>> rules
>>>>>>> when it comes to business licenses and conducting business, trying to
>>>> tie
>>>>>>> every sole proprietorship down with a business license when one may
>>>> not be
>>>>>>> required in many of these jurisdictions seems strange at best.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In general the law sees Corporations and Individuals as all in the
>>>> same,
>>>>>>> so I?m a little confused as to why ARIN would be ok with doing
>> business
>>>>>>> with a sole proprietor but not an "individual"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the issue is fraud prevention, it seems like a better approach
>> would
>>>>>>> be tying all accounts regardless of whether it is a
>>>> business/individual,
>>>>>>> with a government issued identification document; the trend with
>>>> having an
>>>>>>> officer of a company sign an RSA seems to be a step in the direction
>> in
>>>>>>> tying real people to accounts; assuming the goal here is to ensure
>>>>>>> accountability for resource allocation?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Preston Ursini
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 17, 2025, at 7:21?AM, arin-ppml-request at arin.net wrote:
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>>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Re: distributing resources for individuals
>>>>>>> (jordi.palet at consulintel.es)
>>>>>>> 2. Re: distributing resources for individuals (John Curran)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2025 09:00:26 +0200
>>>>>>> From: "jordi.palet at consulintel.es" <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>
>>>>>>> To: arin-ppml <arin-ppml at arin.net>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals
>>>>>>> Message-ID: <9175FF4A-94C3-4021-96CE-44AC5D1DA382 at consulintel.es>
>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A couple of questions on this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) There is a formal confirmation that this ?simple and ?inexpensive?
>>>>>>> procedure is the same in all the ?areas? (states, whatever is te
>>>> division
>>>>>>> in each country) for all the service region countries of ARIN?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) Are we sure that in all those areas/countries the cost of keeping
>>>>>>> that ?status? (the one that is valid for ARIN), and I mean not only
>>>> money,
>>>>>>> but also recurrent paperwork (like for example if you need to present
>>>>>>> quarterly/yearly tax reports, even if you don?t had economical
>>>> activity),
>>>>>>> is close to ?zero"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3) As 1 and 2 above may change (a country law may decide that a
>>>>>>> sole-proprietorship may be enforced to something else much more
>>>> expensive
>>>>>>> or cease that status), do it make sense that the policy and/or
>>>> membership
>>>>>>> documents ask for something that doesn?t depend on ARIN decisions,
>>>> instead
>>>>>>> of relaying in making sure that you provide ?real documents? and of
>>>> course
>>>>>>> a valid justification for the resources that you request (which is
>>>> already
>>>>>>> set in the policies for each type of resource)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Jordi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @jordipalet
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> El 17 abr 2025, a las 2:34, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> escribi?:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ryan -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indeed. As both myself (and Bill Herrin) have pointed out a few
>> times
>>>>>>> in this discussion, ARIN already has flexibility in this regard and
>>>> we do
>>>>>>> have sole proprietorships that enter into agreements and obtain
>> number
>>>>>>> resources. Sole proprietorship works, DBA name registration works,
>>>>>>> incorporation of a legal entity works ? hence the reason for further
>>>>>>> discussion in order to gain a better understanding of the problem to
>> be
>>>>>>> solved.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> /John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Curran
>>>>>>> President and CEO
>>>>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2025, at 8:16?PM, Ryan Hamel <ryan at rkhtech.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I echo David's point coming from California. My ARIN resources are
>>>> under
>>>>>>> my legal name, which was approved by the team that handles org
>>>> tickets, and
>>>>>>> the legal team.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A sole proprietor without a DBA, can legally conduct business in
>>>> several
>>>>>>> states and potentially provinces too, and that also includes signing
>>>> ARIN's
>>>>>>> agreements.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ryan Hamel
>>>>>>> From: ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> on behalf of David
>> Farmer
>>>>>>> via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2025 4:58:48 PM
>>>>>>> To: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net>
>>>>>>> Cc: arin-ppml <arin-ppml at arin.net>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Caution: This is an external email and may be malicious. Please take
>>>>>>> care when clicking links or opening attachments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The issue is in Missouri, Minnesota, and probably many other states;
>> if
>>>>>>> you are doing business under your own name and not a DBA, you don't
>>>> need to
>>>>>>> register with the state to operate a sole proprietorship.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, if ARIN procedures require a lookup with the Secretary of State,
>>>>>>> effectively, that requires more than just operating as a business; it
>>>> also
>>>>>>> requires operating that business under a fictitious name, not under
>> the
>>>>>>> owner's name.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Section 9 of the NRPM gives a lot of latitude for demonstrating that
>> an
>>>>>>> organization operates within the ARIN region. A similar amount of
>>>> latitude
>>>>>>> should be available to establish that an individual is acting as a
>>>> business
>>>>>>> and not an individual, even if the jurisdiction's laws and procedures
>>>> don't
>>>>>>> neatly align with ARIN procedures.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 6:04?PM John Curran <jcurran at arin.net
>> <mailto:
>>>>>>> jcurran at arin.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2025, at 6:02?PM, Paul E McNary <pmcnary at cameron.net
>>>> <mailto:
>>>>>>> pmcnary at cameron.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Originally
>>>>>>> 12 years ago when I tried to get ARIN resources, I was greatly harmed
>>>> by
>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>> In Missouri at that time a Sole Proprietor did not have to register
>>>> with
>>>>>>> the Secretary of State.
>>>>>>> ARIN would not issue resources unless they could verify you with
>>>>>>> Secretary of State database.
>>>>>>> We had a State Sales Tax and Employment Tax ID for 20 years, but that
>>>>>>> wasn't good enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paul -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To be certain there?s a clear understanding of the problem that
>>>> resulted
>>>>>>> from the organization requirement ? are you saying that you were
>>>> unable to
>>>>>>> register a DBA name with Missouri Secretary of State in 2013? There
>>>> is a
>>>>>>> 7$ fee associated with such registration (every 5 years) but from all
>>>>>>> appearances it is otherwise a rather nominal process, so if there
>>>> is/was
>>>>>>> some other barrier it would be good to explain it so that folks
>>>> understand
>>>>>>> the scope of the problem that you experienced when trying to do so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> /John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Curran
>>>>>>> President and CEO
>>>>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2025 12:21:30 +0000
>>>>>>> From: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net>
>>>>>>> To: "jordi.palet at consulintel.es" <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>
>>>>>>> Cc: arin-ppml <arin-ppml at arin.net>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals
>>>>>>> Message-ID: <19584E59-969A-4EC3-BB29-6500464AF949 at arin.net>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jordi -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The representation you seek from ARIN regarding government procedures
>>>>>>> across the the entire region is not possible to make ? and as you
>>>> note, it
>>>>>>> would be meaningless the very next day because such laws and
>>>> regulations
>>>>>>> are outside of ARIN?s control and subject to change. Note that this
>>>> is the
>>>>>>> case regardless of whether speaking of networks run by organizations
>> or
>>>>>>> individuals ? the legal requirements on networks in any given portion
>>>> of
>>>>>>> the ARIN region are not determined by ARIN.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What we can say is that our customers want us to be reasonably
>> flexible
>>>>>>> in our processes to the extent possible, just as we are with respect
>> to
>>>>>>> confirming whether organizations requesting resources operate within
>>>> the
>>>>>>> ARIN region. We?ve evolved our processes over time to make be more
>>>>>>> straightforward, and this includes handling entities that are
>>>> incorporated,
>>>>>>> those using DBA registrations, sole proprietorships, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your original query noted that ? In LACNIC we are having a discussion
>>>>>>> because the policy manual only allows to distribute resources to
>>>>>>> ?organizations legally registered? ? ? To be clear, ARIN is
>>>> effectively the
>>>>>>> same, but we are quite flexible in recognition of how our network
>>>> customers
>>>>>>> may go about their legal registration.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>> /John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Curran
>>>>>>> President and CEO
>>>>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 17, 2025, at 3:00?AM, jordi.palet--- via ARIN-PPML <
>>>>>>> arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A couple of questions on this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) There is a formal confirmation that this ?simple and ?inexpensive?
>>>>>>> procedure is the same in all the ?areas? (states, whatever is te
>>>> division
>>>>>>> in each country) for all the service region countries of ARIN?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) Are we sure that in all those areas/countries the cost of keeping
>>>>>>> that ?status? (the one that is valid for ARIN), and I mean not only
>>>> money,
>>>>>>> but also recurrent paperwork (like for example if you need to present
>>>>>>> quarterly/yearly tax reports, even if you don?t had economical
>>>> activity),
>>>>>>> is close to ?zero"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3) As 1 and 2 above may change (a country law may decide that a
>>>>>>> sole-proprietorship may be enforced to something else much more
>>>> expensive
>>>>>>> or cease that status), do it make sense that the policy and/or
>>>> membership
>>>>>>> documents ask for something that doesn?t depend on ARIN decisions,
>>>> instead
>>>>>>> of relaying in making sure that you provide ?real documents? and of
>>>> course
>>>>>>> a valid justification for the resources that you request (which is
>>>> already
>>>>>>> set in the policies for each type of resource)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Jordi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @jordipalet
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> El 17 abr 2025, a las 2:34, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> escribi?:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ryan -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indeed. As both myself (and Bill Herrin) have pointed out a few
>> times
>>>>>>> in this discussion, ARIN already has flexibility in this regard and
>>>> we do
>>>>>>> have sole proprietorships that enter into agreements and obtain
>> number
>>>>>>> resources. Sole proprietorship works, DBA name registration works,
>>>>>>> incorporation of a legal entity works ? hence the reason for further
>>>>>>> discussion in order to gain a better understanding of the problem to
>> be
>>>>>>> solved.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> /John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Curran
>>>>>>> President and CEO
>>>>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2025, at 8:16?PM, Ryan Hamel <ryan at rkhtech.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I echo David's point coming from California. My ARIN resources are
>>>> under
>>>>>>> my legal name, which was approved by the team that handles org
>>>> tickets, and
>>>>>>> the legal team.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A sole proprietor without a DBA, can legally conduct business in
>>>> several
>>>>>>> states and potentially provinces too, and that also includes signing
>>>> ARIN's
>>>>>>> agreements.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ryan Hamel
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> on behalf of David
>> Farmer
>>>>>>> via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2025 4:58:48 PM
>>>>>>> To: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net>
>>>>>>> Cc: arin-ppml <arin-ppml at arin.net>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Caution: This is an external email and may be malicious. Please take
>>>>>>> care when clicking links or opening attachments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The issue is in Missouri, Minnesota, and probably many other states;
>> if
>>>>>>> you are doing business under your own name and not a DBA, you don't
>>>> need to
>>>>>>> register with the state to operate a sole proprietorship.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, if ARIN procedures require a lookup with the Secretary of State,
>>>>>>> effectively, that requires more than just operating as a business; it
>>>> also
>>>>>>> requires operating that business under a fictitious name, not under
>> the
>>>>>>> owner's name.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Section 9 of the NRPM gives a lot of latitude for demonstrating that
>> an
>>>>>>> organization operates within the ARIN region. A similar amount of
>>>> latitude
>>>>>>> should be available to establish that an individual is acting as a
>>>> business
>>>>>>> and not an individual, even if the jurisdiction's laws and procedures
>>>> don't
>>>>>>> neatly align with ARIN procedures.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 6:04?PM John Curran <jcurran at arin.net
>> <mailto:
>>>>>>> jcurran at arin.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2025, at 6:02?PM, Paul E McNary <pmcnary at cameron.net
>>>> <mailto:
>>>>>>> pmcnary at cameron.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Originally
>>>>>>> 12 years ago when I tried to get ARIN resources, I was greatly harmed
>>>> by
>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>> In Missouri at that time a Sole Proprietor did not have to register
>>>> with
>>>>>>> the Secretary of State.
>>>>>>> ARIN would not issue resources unless they could verify you with
>>>>>>> Secretary of State database.
>>>>>>> We had a State Sales Tax and Employment Tax ID for 20 years, but that
>>>>>>> wasn't good enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paul -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To be certain there?s a clear understanding of the problem that
>>>> resulted
>>>>>>> from the organization requirement ? are you saying that you were
>>>> unable to
>>>>>>> register a DBA name with Missouri Secretary of State in 2013? There
>>>> is a
>>>>>>> 7$ fee associated with such registration (every 5 years) but from all
>>>>>>> appearances it is otherwise a rather nominal process, so if there
>>>> is/was
>>>>>>> some other barrier it would be good to explain it so that folks
>>>> understand
>>>>>>> the scope of the problem that you experienced when trying to do so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> /John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Curran
>>>>>>> President and CEO
>>>>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> ARIN-PPML
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