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<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">Hello everyone,</p>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">Thank you, Preston,
for taking the initiative to submit an official policy proposal regarding the
distribution of resources to individuals.</p>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">I truly appreciate
the thoughtful discussions that have taken place on this topic over the past
few weeks.</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">As someone who
initially suggested that ARIN study the practices from RIPE and APNIC in an
official staff report (to better understand the trade-offs), I am pleased to
see the community moving toward concrete action.</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">I would be very
interested in seeing a preliminary version of the proposed text, if possible,
and would also encourage that we continue exploring:</p>
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<li style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;vertical-align:middle"><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">Lessons learned from other
RIRs' approaches to individual allocations.</span></li>
<li style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;vertical-align:middle"><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">Potential operational impacts
(verification processes, anti-abuse mechanisms).</span></li>
<li style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;vertical-align:middle"><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">How to maintain fairness and
transparency while broadening access.</span></li>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">Looking forward to
continuing this conversation during ARIN 55 and beyond!</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">Best regards,</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">Mohibul </p>
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1. Re: distributing resources for individuals (Preston Ursini)<br>
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From: Preston Ursini <<a href="mailto:preston@thefirehorn.com" target="_blank">preston@thefirehorn.com</a>><br>
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I believe there has been ample evidence from the community and first hand evidence introduced to justify this being made into a policy proposal.<br>
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I?ve sent an official policy proposal to <a href="mailto:policy@arin.net" target="_blank">policy@arin.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:policy@arin.net" target="_blank">policy@arin.net</a>> ; hopefully this can be shepherded in with full ARIN support by ARIN 56, with some sort of preliminary discussion even possible at ARIN 55.<br>
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Preston Louis Ursini<br>
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> 1. Re: distributing resources for individuals (Mohibul Mahmud)<br>
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> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2025 17:28:36 -0400<br>
> From: Mohibul Mahmud <<a href="mailto:mhasib@gmail.com" target="_blank">mhasib@gmail.com</a>><br>
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> Hello,<br>
> <br>
> Since RIPE and APNIC have variations in how individuals can receive<br>
> resources, would it make sense for ARIN to document and review lessons from<br>
> those models in an official staff assessment or community report?<br>
> <br>
> This might help the community better evaluate the trade-offs before<br>
> considering any changes to our own policies.<br>
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> -Mohibul<br>
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> On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 12:43?PM <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-request@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml-request@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> 1. Re: distributing resources for individuals (Owen DeLong)<br>
>> 2. Re: distributing resources for individuals (John Curran)<br>
>> 3. Re: distributing resources for individuals (David Farmer)<br>
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>> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 09:13:23 -0700<br>
>> From: Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>><br>
>> To: John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" target="_blank">jcurran@arin.net</a>><br>
>> Cc: Paul E McNary <<a href="mailto:pmcnary@cameron.net" target="_blank">pmcnary@cameron.net</a>>, <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals<br>
>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:E660BC18-763B-49C5-903B-AF8822BFA2EB@delong.com" target="_blank">E660BC18-763B-49C5-903B-AF8822BFA2EB@delong.com</a>><br>
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>> While your statement is technically true, what they do not provide is an<br>
>> authoritative proof that an entity does not exist as a legal entity which<br>
>> can be verified. In fact, not all states registries will even allow the<br>
>> listing of sole proprietorships without a fictitious name and some of those<br>
>> states won?t allow fictitious name use of the individual?s legal name.<br>
>> <br>
>> I doubt you would find any of the following organizations which legally<br>
>> exist in California in the SOS registry:<br>
>> Delong Consulting<br>
>> Owen DeLong and Family<br>
>> Purple Politico<br>
>> <br>
>> This doesn?t prevent two of them from appearing on schedule C forms and it<br>
>> hasn?t prevented ARIN from taking money from the third for decades for<br>
>> resources being registered to it.<br>
>> <br>
>> ARIN?s misuse of SOS registries as an authoritative source of proof an<br>
>> organization doesn?t exist is what is the crux of the issue here.<br>
>> <br>
>> When DNS returns NXDOMAIN from an authoritative server, you know that that<br>
>> record doesn?t exist. This is not the case with SOS registries. All you can<br>
>> get from them is that the organization definitely exists or absent a<br>
>> record, that the organization may or may not exist.<br>
>> <br>
>> Owen<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>>> On Apr 17, 2025, at 18:12, John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" target="_blank">jcurran@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> ?Paul -<br>
>>> <br>
>>> At explained to you on several occasions (including in-person at WISPA),<br>
>> ARIN conducts a business entity search within your state?s registry and<br>
>> that returns corporations, partnerships, sole proprietorships, DBA names,<br>
>> etc. Secretary of State business entity registries provide public-facing,<br>
>> authoritative records confirming that an organization exists as a legal<br>
>> entity which can be verified for every state in a clear, consistent, and<br>
>> neutral manner.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Thanks,<br>
>>> /John<br>
>>> <br>
>>> John Curran<br>
>>> President and CEO<br>
>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers<br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>>> On Apr 17, 2025, at 8:42?PM, Paul E McNary <<a href="mailto:pmcnary@cameron.net" target="_blank">pmcnary@cameron.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> ARIN wouldn't accept my City, County, business licenses or my state<br>
>> business IDs from Department of Revenue on a business that I started in<br>
>> ,1979. Why?<br>
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>> Message: 2<br>
>> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 16:41:59 +0000<br>
>> From: John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" target="_blank">jcurran@arin.net</a>><br>
>> To: Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>><br>
>> Cc: "<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals<br>
>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:81862092-4450-4E9E-9D86-C56A07EAB85F@arin.net" target="_blank">81862092-4450-4E9E-9D86-C56A07EAB85F@arin.net</a>><br>
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>> On Apr 18, 2025, at 11:42?AM, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> IMHO the best tact at this point may well be to submit both ACSP and<br>
>> policy proposals which provide for ARIN to issue resources to individuals<br>
>> as unregistered (by state) sole proprietorships.<br>
>> <br>
>> While ARIN follows current NRPM by issuing to resources to organizations<br>
>> (and encourages individuals to utilize the sole proprietor option or dba<br>
>> for compliance), a policy change to provide number resource issuance<br>
>> specifically to individuals is certainly something that this community<br>
>> could consider. The problem statement would appear to be (as you suggest<br>
>> above) something along the lines of: ?Resolve inability of ARIN to<br>
>> issuance IPv4/IPv6/ASN number resources directly to individuals."<br>
>> <br>
>> Doing so via the policy process would make sure that any germane policy<br>
>> nuances (e.g. issuance to individuals under ISP vs end-user policy, waiting<br>
>> list policy, etc.) get appropraite consideration when applied to<br>
>> individual resource holders.<br>
>> <br>
>> (I do not believe that any ACSP is necessary, as Impact to ARIN's existing<br>
>> operational practices and any implications for directly serving individuals<br>
>> are the type of issue that can be explored in the staff and legal review. )<br>
>> <br>
>> FYI,<br>
>> /John<br>
>> <br>
>> John Curran<br>
>> President and CEO<br>
>> American Registry for Internet Numbers<br>
>> <br>
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>> Message: 3<br>
>> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 11:42:20 -0500<br>
>> From: David Farmer <<a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu" target="_blank">farmer@umn.edu</a>><br>
>> To: Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>><br>
>> Cc: Ryan Hamel <<a href="mailto:ryan@rkhtech.org" target="_blank">ryan@rkhtech.org</a>>, Preston Ursini<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:preston@thefirehorn.com" target="_blank">preston@thefirehorn.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals<br>
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>> <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:CAN-Dau1UAdbi1ojqscOSycBBdH%2B6XJu_rQ7kz1NroKTPFuETKg@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">CAN-Dau1UAdbi1ojqscOSycBBdH+6XJu_rQ7kz1NroKTPFuETKg@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
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>> <br>
>> In my view, Secretary of State (SOS) registration is an easy button for<br>
>> ARIN, and when available, that's fine. Nevertheless, I also expect ARIN to<br>
>> have processes and procedures in place when the SOS option is not<br>
>> available. A sole proprietorship that is not registered with the SOS is<br>
>> still a valid business in many states, and ARIN needs processes and<br>
>> procedures in place to deal with that situation.<br>
>> <br>
>> Earlier, I referenced Section 9 and the flexibility in determining that an<br>
>> organization is operating in the ARIN; similar flexibility is needed in<br>
>> determining whether an individual is operating as a business. I'll also<br>
>> note that Section 9 is quite clear: registration in the ARIN region alone<br>
>> is not sufficient to determine whether an organization is operating in the<br>
>> ARIN region. Similarly, a lack of registration alone should not be<br>
>> sufficient to find that an individual is not operating as a business.<br>
>> <br>
>> As to ARIN policy, it predominantly references organizations. Individuals<br>
>> only come up in the context of defining a Residential Customer. With that<br>
>> context, ARIN policy strongly assumes LIRs, ISPs, and end-users are<br>
>> organizations, not individuals.<br>
>> <br>
>> Thanks.<br>
>> <br>
>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 11:05?AM Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>>> Not all states will register a sole proprietorship under a person?s legal<br>
>>> name, making it difficult for some sole proprietorships to clear ARIN?s<br>
>>> current requirements. Worse, individuals and sole proprietors who know<br>
>>> which buttons to push on the ARIN staff seem to be able to get ORG-IDs<br>
>>> without SOS registration while others seem to get rejected on that basis.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> I?m not arguing that these ?exceptions? should go away, I?m arguing that<br>
>>> they should be more widely available and perhaps it is time to drop the<br>
>>> ?organization? pretext altogether.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Owen<br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> On Apr 17, 2025, at 17:54, David Farmer via ARIN-PPML <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> ?<br>
>>> Ok, natural persons can be RIPE members in their own right, I guess I was<br>
>>> wrong, but you pay ?1,800 for membership. Where as with ARIN you start<br>
>> at<br>
>>> $250, even with potential state registration fees for a sole<br>
>>> proprietorship, you probably still come out well ahead.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 19:43 David Farmer <<a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu" target="_blank">farmer@umn.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>>> Out of curiosity can you point me to the agreement on RIPE?s web site.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Thanks<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 19:38 Ryan Hamel <<a href="mailto:ryan@rkhtech.org" target="_blank">ryan@rkhtech.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>> David,<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> I signed an agreement with RIPE NCC, have an account in their portal,<br>
>>>>> and had an ASN + IPv6 assignment...<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Kind regards,<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Ryan Hamel<br>
>>>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>>>> *From:* ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>> on behalf of David<br>
>>>>> Farmer via ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 17, 2025 6:35:37 PM<br>
>>>>> *To:* John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" target="_blank">jcurran@arin.net</a>><br>
>>>>> *Cc:* Preston Ursini <<a href="mailto:preston@thefirehorn.com" target="_blank">preston@thefirehorn.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a> <<br>
>>>>> <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals<br>
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>>>>> <br>
>>>>> First, my understanding is that individuals don't get resources from<br>
>>>>> RIPE either; Member Organizations do. You, as an individual, get<br>
>>>>> resources from an LIR that is a RIPE Member, and the LIR gets the<br>
>>>>> resources from RIPE, maintains the relationship with RIPE, and assigns<br>
>>>>> them to you. As an individual, your relationship is with the LIR, not<br>
>> RIPE,<br>
>>>>> unless I'm completely misunderstanding RIPE's policies and business<br>
>>>>> practices.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> A similar arrangement could be facilitated by an LIR (also known as an<br>
>>>>> ISP) that is an ARIN Member Organization. That isn't as common a<br>
>> practice<br>
>>>>> here in the ARIN Region. ARIN has a lower barrier to entry and deals<br>
>>>>> directly with end-user organizations, but not end-users as individuals.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Thanks.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 6:51?PM John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" target="_blank">jcurran@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Preston -<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> I don?t think any of the present discussion has been predicated on<br>
>> fraud<br>
>>>>> concerns.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> (Note that ARIN currently has some extensive anti-fraud practices that<br>
>>>>> include various forms of government issued ID presentation and<br>
>>>>> verification.)<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Thanks,<br>
>>>>> /John<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> John Curran<br>
>>>>> President and CEO<br>
>>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> On Apr 17, 2025, at 7:39?PM, Preston Ursini <<a href="mailto:preston@thefirehorn.com" target="_blank">preston@thefirehorn.com</a>><br>
>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Would I be correct in that there hasn?t been an actually policy<br>
>> proposal<br>
>>>>> submitted for this?<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> I believe that whether or not this new policy were to be considered,<br>
>>>>> that a copy of a government issued identification document be<br>
>> submitted to<br>
>>>>> the person signing the Registration Services Agreement whenever an<br>
>> OrgID is<br>
>>>>> issued. This can help immensely in tracking down fraud which seems to<br>
>> be a<br>
>>>>> pillar concern.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> For simplicity sake, I?d also say in any such policy allowing an<br>
>>>>> Individual to obtain numbering assets simply be issued an OrgID just as<br>
>>>>> sole proprietors are as to minimize disruption to ARIN operations in<br>
>>>>> implementing this policy.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Preston Ursini<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> On Apr 17, 2025, at 6:28?PM, John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" target="_blank">jcurran@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Preston -<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> That?s a reasonable question (?why an individual cannot be accepted as<br>
>>>>> they are generally the same legal entity??)<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> You?re right that a sole proprietorship is legally tied to the<br>
>>>>> individual behind it, but that doesn?t make it the same as issuing<br>
>>>>> resources to individuals. At the time of ARIN?s formation (and for a<br>
>>>>> suibstantial period before), number resources were issued to<br>
>> organizations.<br>
>>>>> The old netnumber.txt request forms made that clear, asking for ?the<br>
>>>>> organization responsible for establishing the network? along with a<br>
>> postal<br>
>>>>> address. That model is what ARIN inherited when it was formed in 1997,<br>
>> and<br>
>>>>> it?s what we continue to operate under.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> While it?s true in theory that ARIN could adopt a model where it<br>
>>>>> directly serves individuals, this would represent a significant<br>
>> departure<br>
>>>>> from the registry model we inherited and have operated under for<br>
>> decades.<br>
>>>>> Even though individuals and organizations can both be ?legal entities,?<br>
>>>>> that does not mean they are treated identically under law. For example,<br>
>>>>> companies that predominantly focus on serving businesses (often<br>
>> referred to<br>
>>>>> as B2B) are often subject to different laws, regulations, and tax<br>
>> policy<br>
>>>>> than those that hold themselves out to serve individuals. Thus,<br>
>> shifting to<br>
>>>>> a model that openly includes individuals could have significant<br>
>> unintended<br>
>>>>> implications for ARIN.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> That doesn?t mean it can?t be done, but it would be important to<br>
>>>>> understand the problem that such a change would solve. ARIN accepts<br>
>>>>> incorporated entities, DBAs, sole proprietors, etc.?because we know<br>
>>>>> networks are run by all kinds of operators. But in every case, we?re<br>
>> still<br>
>>>>> issuing to an organization, however minimal the structure might be.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Thanks!<br>
>>>>> /John<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> John Curran<br>
>>>>> President and CEO<br>
>>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> On Apr 17, 2025, at 2:09?PM, Preston Ursini via ARIN-PPML <<br>
>>>>> <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> If a sole proprietorship is accepted, I am confused as to why an<br>
>>>>> Individual cannot be accepted as they are generally the same legal<br>
>> entity<br>
>>>>> unless it is an individual?<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> There are over 20,000 political subdivisions within the United States<br>
>>>>> when you count cities, counties, townships, etc., all with their own<br>
>> rules<br>
>>>>> when it comes to business licenses and conducting business, trying to<br>
>> tie<br>
>>>>> every sole proprietorship down with a business license when one may<br>
>> not be<br>
>>>>> required in many of these jurisdictions seems strange at best.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> In general the law sees Corporations and Individuals as all in the<br>
>> same,<br>
>>>>> so I?m a little confused as to why ARIN would be ok with doing business<br>
>>>>> with a sole proprietor but not an "individual"?<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> If the issue is fraud prevention, it seems like a better approach would<br>
>>>>> be tying all accounts regardless of whether it is a<br>
>> business/individual,<br>
>>>>> with a government issued identification document; the trend with<br>
>> having an<br>
>>>>> officer of a company sign an RSA seems to be a step in the direction in<br>
>>>>> tying real people to accounts; assuming the goal here is to ensure<br>
>>>>> accountability for resource allocation?<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Preston Ursini<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> On Apr 17, 2025, at 7:21?AM, <a href="mailto:arin-ppml-request@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml-request@arin.net</a> wrote:<br>
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>>>>> <br>
>>>>> 1. Re: distributing resources for individuals<br>
>>>>> (<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>)<br>
>>>>> 2. Re: distributing resources for individuals (John Curran)<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Message: 1<br>
>>>>> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2025 09:00:26 +0200<br>
>>>>> From: "<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>" <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>
>>>>> To: arin-ppml <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals<br>
>>>>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:9175FF4A-94C3-4021-96CE-44AC5D1DA382@consulintel.es" target="_blank">9175FF4A-94C3-4021-96CE-44AC5D1DA382@consulintel.es</a>><br>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Hi John,<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> A couple of questions on this:<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> 1) There is a formal confirmation that this ?simple and ?inexpensive?<br>
>>>>> procedure is the same in all the ?areas? (states, whatever is te<br>
>> division<br>
>>>>> in each country) for all the service region countries of ARIN?<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> 2) Are we sure that in all those areas/countries the cost of keeping<br>
>>>>> that ?status? (the one that is valid for ARIN), and I mean not only<br>
>> money,<br>
>>>>> but also recurrent paperwork (like for example if you need to present<br>
>>>>> quarterly/yearly tax reports, even if you don?t had economical<br>
>> activity),<br>
>>>>> is close to ?zero"?<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> 3) As 1 and 2 above may change (a country law may decide that a<br>
>>>>> sole-proprietorship may be enforced to something else much more<br>
>> expensive<br>
>>>>> or cease that status), do it make sense that the policy and/or<br>
>> membership<br>
>>>>> documents ask for something that doesn?t depend on ARIN decisions,<br>
>> instead<br>
>>>>> of relaying in making sure that you provide ?real documents? and of<br>
>> course<br>
>>>>> a valid justification for the resources that you request (which is<br>
>> already<br>
>>>>> set in the policies for each type of resource)?<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Regards,<br>
>>>>> Jordi<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> @jordipalet<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> El 17 abr 2025, a las 2:34, John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" target="_blank">jcurran@arin.net</a>> escribi?:<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Ryan -<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Indeed. As both myself (and Bill Herrin) have pointed out a few times<br>
>>>>> in this discussion, ARIN already has flexibility in this regard and<br>
>> we do<br>
>>>>> have sole proprietorships that enter into agreements and obtain number<br>
>>>>> resources. Sole proprietorship works, DBA name registration works,<br>
>>>>> incorporation of a legal entity works ? hence the reason for further<br>
>>>>> discussion in order to gain a better understanding of the problem to be<br>
>>>>> solved.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Thanks,<br>
>>>>> /John<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> John Curran<br>
>>>>> President and CEO<br>
>>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> On Apr 16, 2025, at 8:16?PM, Ryan Hamel <<a href="mailto:ryan@rkhtech.org" target="_blank">ryan@rkhtech.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> John,<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> I echo David's point coming from California. My ARIN resources are<br>
>> under<br>
>>>>> my legal name, which was approved by the team that handles org<br>
>> tickets, and<br>
>>>>> the legal team.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> A sole proprietor without a DBA, can legally conduct business in<br>
>> several<br>
>>>>> states and potentially provinces too, and that also includes signing<br>
>> ARIN's<br>
>>>>> agreements.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Kind regards,<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Ryan Hamel<br>
>>>>> From: ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>> on behalf of David Farmer<br>
>>>>> via ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2025 4:58:48 PM<br>
>>>>> To: John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" target="_blank">jcurran@arin.net</a>><br>
>>>>> Cc: arin-ppml <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Caution: This is an external email and may be malicious. Please take<br>
>>>>> care when clicking links or opening attachments.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> John,<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> The issue is in Missouri, Minnesota, and probably many other states; if<br>
>>>>> you are doing business under your own name and not a DBA, you don't<br>
>> need to<br>
>>>>> register with the state to operate a sole proprietorship.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> So, if ARIN procedures require a lookup with the Secretary of State,<br>
>>>>> effectively, that requires more than just operating as a business; it<br>
>> also<br>
>>>>> requires operating that business under a fictitious name, not under the<br>
>>>>> owner's name.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Section 9 of the NRPM gives a lot of latitude for demonstrating that an<br>
>>>>> organization operates within the ARIN region. A similar amount of<br>
>> latitude<br>
>>>>> should be available to establish that an individual is acting as a<br>
>> business<br>
>>>>> and not an individual, even if the jurisdiction's laws and procedures<br>
>> don't<br>
>>>>> neatly align with ARIN procedures.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Thanks<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 6:04?PM John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" target="_blank">jcurran@arin.net</a> <mailto:<br>
>>>>> <a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" target="_blank">jcurran@arin.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> On Apr 16, 2025, at 6:02?PM, Paul E McNary <<a href="mailto:pmcnary@cameron.net" target="_blank">pmcnary@cameron.net</a><br>
>> <mailto:<br>
>>>>> <a href="mailto:pmcnary@cameron.net" target="_blank">pmcnary@cameron.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Originally<br>
>>>>> 12 years ago when I tried to get ARIN resources, I was greatly harmed<br>
>> by<br>
>>>>> this.<br>
>>>>> In Missouri at that time a Sole Proprietor did not have to register<br>
>> with<br>
>>>>> the Secretary of State.<br>
>>>>> ARIN would not issue resources unless they could verify you with<br>
>>>>> Secretary of State database.<br>
>>>>> We had a State Sales Tax and Employment Tax ID for 20 years, but that<br>
>>>>> wasn't good enough.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Paul -<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> To be certain there?s a clear understanding of the problem that<br>
>> resulted<br>
>>>>> from the organization requirement ? are you saying that you were<br>
>> unable to<br>
>>>>> register a DBA name with Missouri Secretary of State in 2013? There<br>
>> is a<br>
>>>>> 7$ fee associated with such registration (every 5 years) but from all<br>
>>>>> appearances it is otherwise a rather nominal process, so if there<br>
>> is/was<br>
>>>>> some other barrier it would be good to explain it so that folks<br>
>> understand<br>
>>>>> the scope of the problem that you experienced when trying to do so.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Thanks,<br>
>>>>> /John<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> John Curran<br>
>>>>> President and CEO<br>
>>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
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>>>>> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2025 12:21:30 +0000<br>
>>>>> From: John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" target="_blank">jcurran@arin.net</a>><br>
>>>>> To: "<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>" <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>
>>>>> Cc: arin-ppml <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals<br>
>>>>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:19584E59-969A-4EC3-BB29-6500464AF949@arin.net" target="_blank">19584E59-969A-4EC3-BB29-6500464AF949@arin.net</a>><br>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Jordi -<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> The representation you seek from ARIN regarding government procedures<br>
>>>>> across the the entire region is not possible to make ? and as you<br>
>> note, it<br>
>>>>> would be meaningless the very next day because such laws and<br>
>> regulations<br>
>>>>> are outside of ARIN?s control and subject to change. Note that this<br>
>> is the<br>
>>>>> case regardless of whether speaking of networks run by organizations or<br>
>>>>> individuals ? the legal requirements on networks in any given portion<br>
>> of<br>
>>>>> the ARIN region are not determined by ARIN.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> What we can say is that our customers want us to be reasonably flexible<br>
>>>>> in our processes to the extent possible, just as we are with respect to<br>
>>>>> confirming whether organizations requesting resources operate within<br>
>> the<br>
>>>>> ARIN region. We?ve evolved our processes over time to make be more<br>
>>>>> straightforward, and this includes handling entities that are<br>
>> incorporated,<br>
>>>>> those using DBA registrations, sole proprietorships, etc.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Your original query noted that ? In LACNIC we are having a discussion<br>
>>>>> because the policy manual only allows to distribute resources to<br>
>>>>> ?organizations legally registered? ? ? To be clear, ARIN is<br>
>> effectively the<br>
>>>>> same, but we are quite flexible in recognition of how our network<br>
>> customers<br>
>>>>> may go about their legal registration.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Thanks!<br>
>>>>> /John<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> John Curran<br>
>>>>> President and CEO<br>
>>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> On Apr 17, 2025, at 3:00?AM, jordi.palet--- via ARIN-PPML <<br>
>>>>> <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Hi John,<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> A couple of questions on this:<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> 1) There is a formal confirmation that this ?simple and ?inexpensive?<br>
>>>>> procedure is the same in all the ?areas? (states, whatever is te<br>
>> division<br>
>>>>> in each country) for all the service region countries of ARIN?<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> 2) Are we sure that in all those areas/countries the cost of keeping<br>
>>>>> that ?status? (the one that is valid for ARIN), and I mean not only<br>
>> money,<br>
>>>>> but also recurrent paperwork (like for example if you need to present<br>
>>>>> quarterly/yearly tax reports, even if you don?t had economical<br>
>> activity),<br>
>>>>> is close to ?zero"?<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> 3) As 1 and 2 above may change (a country law may decide that a<br>
>>>>> sole-proprietorship may be enforced to something else much more<br>
>> expensive<br>
>>>>> or cease that status), do it make sense that the policy and/or<br>
>> membership<br>
>>>>> documents ask for something that doesn?t depend on ARIN decisions,<br>
>> instead<br>
>>>>> of relaying in making sure that you provide ?real documents? and of<br>
>> course<br>
>>>>> a valid justification for the resources that you request (which is<br>
>> already<br>
>>>>> set in the policies for each type of resource)?<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Regards,<br>
>>>>> Jordi<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> @jordipalet<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> El 17 abr 2025, a las 2:34, John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" target="_blank">jcurran@arin.net</a>> escribi?:<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Ryan -<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Indeed. As both myself (and Bill Herrin) have pointed out a few times<br>
>>>>> in this discussion, ARIN already has flexibility in this regard and<br>
>> we do<br>
>>>>> have sole proprietorships that enter into agreements and obtain number<br>
>>>>> resources. Sole proprietorship works, DBA name registration works,<br>
>>>>> incorporation of a legal entity works ? hence the reason for further<br>
>>>>> discussion in order to gain a better understanding of the problem to be<br>
>>>>> solved.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Thanks,<br>
>>>>> /John<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> John Curran<br>
>>>>> President and CEO<br>
>>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> On Apr 16, 2025, at 8:16?PM, Ryan Hamel <<a href="mailto:ryan@rkhtech.org" target="_blank">ryan@rkhtech.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> John,<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> I echo David's point coming from California. My ARIN resources are<br>
>> under<br>
>>>>> my legal name, which was approved by the team that handles org<br>
>> tickets, and<br>
>>>>> the legal team.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> A sole proprietor without a DBA, can legally conduct business in<br>
>> several<br>
>>>>> states and potentially provinces too, and that also includes signing<br>
>> ARIN's<br>
>>>>> agreements.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Kind regards,<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Ryan Hamel<br>
>>>>> ________________________________<br>
>>>>> From: ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>> on behalf of David Farmer<br>
>>>>> via ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2025 4:58:48 PM<br>
>>>>> To: John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" target="_blank">jcurran@arin.net</a>><br>
>>>>> Cc: arin-ppml <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Caution: This is an external email and may be malicious. Please take<br>
>>>>> care when clicking links or opening attachments.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> John,<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> The issue is in Missouri, Minnesota, and probably many other states; if<br>
>>>>> you are doing business under your own name and not a DBA, you don't<br>
>> need to<br>
>>>>> register with the state to operate a sole proprietorship.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> So, if ARIN procedures require a lookup with the Secretary of State,<br>
>>>>> effectively, that requires more than just operating as a business; it<br>
>> also<br>
>>>>> requires operating that business under a fictitious name, not under the<br>
>>>>> owner's name.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Section 9 of the NRPM gives a lot of latitude for demonstrating that an<br>
>>>>> organization operates within the ARIN region. A similar amount of<br>
>> latitude<br>
>>>>> should be available to establish that an individual is acting as a<br>
>> business<br>
>>>>> and not an individual, even if the jurisdiction's laws and procedures<br>
>> don't<br>
>>>>> neatly align with ARIN procedures.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Thanks<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 6:04?PM John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" target="_blank">jcurran@arin.net</a><mailto:<br>
>>>>> <a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" target="_blank">jcurran@arin.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> On Apr 16, 2025, at 6:02?PM, Paul E McNary <<a href="mailto:pmcnary@cameron.net" target="_blank">pmcnary@cameron.net</a><br>
>> <mailto:<br>
>>>>> <a href="mailto:pmcnary@cameron.net" target="_blank">pmcnary@cameron.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Originally<br>
>>>>> 12 years ago when I tried to get ARIN resources, I was greatly harmed<br>
>> by<br>
>>>>> this.<br>
>>>>> In Missouri at that time a Sole Proprietor did not have to register<br>
>> with<br>
>>>>> the Secretary of State.<br>
>>>>> ARIN would not issue resources unless they could verify you with<br>
>>>>> Secretary of State database.<br>
>>>>> We had a State Sales Tax and Employment Tax ID for 20 years, but that<br>
>>>>> wasn't good enough.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Paul -<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> To be certain there?s a clear understanding of the problem that<br>
>> resulted<br>
>>>>> from the organization requirement ? are you saying that you were<br>
>> unable to<br>
>>>>> register a DBA name with Missouri Secretary of State in 2013? There<br>
>> is a<br>
>>>>> 7$ fee associated with such registration (every 5 years) but from all<br>
>>>>> appearances it is otherwise a rather nominal process, so if there<br>
>> is/was<br>
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