[arin-ppml] Policy Experience Report Working Group Leasing Question

[Michael B. Williams]

+1

Completely agree with this.

Michael

On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 07:33 Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com> wrote:

> You can only lease what you own. What people are trying to do here is
> pretend they own the resources and earn money with an asset they don't own
> despite everything that what IP addresses have always meant for.
>
> IP leasing is an attestation that the resource holder doesn't justify for
> those resources anymore, therefore they should be revoked and assigned to
> someone else who really justifies for it. ARIN should use any financial and
> legal resources it has to invest in a efficient reclamation process in
> order to keep its missing to assign shared resources to those who really
> need them to build internet infrastructure, not do those who wish to
> speculate around IP space.
>
> Fernando
> On 08/05/2023 01:40, Ron Grant wrote:
>
> Pitch perfect points herein:
> - Transfer market already successful
> - Avoids a "highly litigious reclamation process"
> - Leasing is a natural evolution of the Transfer process
> - Section 12 allows both for a reclamation due to misuse, and for a green
> light after 5 years.
>
> I withdraw my initial "can o' worms" objection - when likening them to
> transfers, it looks like we already have controls in place.
>
>
> On 2023-05-07 3:08 p.m., David Farmer via ARIN-PPML wrote:
>
> In my opinion, the 60-month probation on transfers in section 4.1.8 is
> intended to prevent immediate monetization through the transfer market of
> IPv4 resources obtained from the waiting list. Allowing the lease of IPv4
> resources obtained from the waiting list prior to the end of the 60-month
> probation would seem to flaunt the intent of the probation. However, once
> past the 60-month probation, allowing the transfer or lease of IPv4
> resources seems consistent with the policies intent.
>
> I would like to point out that the transfer market has been remarkably
> successful in making IPv4 resources voluntarily available that otherwise
> would not have been available or would have required a highly
> litigious reclamation process to be made available. In addition, leasing
> seems to be a natural evolution of the transfer market for those that do
> not have the capital funding to obtain IPv4 resources on the transfer
> market. Finally, despite a few issues, the waiting list has also been
> remarkably successful at ensuring any IPv4 resources returned to ARIN, for
> whatever reason, are redistributed to the ARIN community.
>
> Suggestions that ARIN should instead auction the waiting list resources,
> while seemingly logical, given the success of the transfer market,
> nevertheless seem incompatible with ARIN's not-for-profit status.
>
> In summary, leasing IPv4 resources obtained from the waiting list after
> the 60-month probation should be allowed. Prior to that, leasing should not
> be allowed. How we effectively enforce that is another question entirely,
> and I personally don't have any good answers to that question.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 10:54 AM WOOD Alison * DAS <
> Alison.WOOD at das.oregon.gov> wrote:
>
>> Good morning PPML!
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like community feedback on the leasing of ip space that is
>> obtained from the waitlist.  Please let me know what you think and if a
>> policy proposal would be warranted.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>>
>> -Alison
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