<div dir="auto">+1 </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Completely agree with this.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Michael </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 07:33 Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>You can only lease what you own. What people are trying to do
here is pretend they own the resources and earn money with an
asset they don't own despite everything that what IP addresses
have always meant for.</p>
<p>IP leasing is an attestation that the resource holder doesn't
justify for those resources anymore, therefore they should be
revoked and assigned to someone else who really justifies for it.
ARIN should use any financial and legal resources it has to invest
in a efficient reclamation process in order to keep its missing to
assign shared resources to those who really need them to build
internet infrastructure, not do those who wish to speculate around
IP space.</p></div><div>
<p>Fernando<br>
</p>
<div>On 08/05/2023 01:40, Ron Grant wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
Pitch perfect points herein:<br>
- Transfer market already successful<br>
- Avoids a "highly litigious reclamation process"<br>
- Leasing is a natural evolution of the Transfer process<br>
- Section 12 allows both for a reclamation due to misuse, and for
a green light after 5 years.<br>
<br>
I withdraw my initial "can o' worms" objection - when likening
them to transfers, it looks like we already have controls in
place.<br>
<br>
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<div>On 2023-05-07 3:08 p.m., David Farmer
via ARIN-PPML wrote:<br>
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<div>In my opinion, the 60-month probation on transfers in
section 4.1.8 is intended to prevent immediate monetization
through the transfer market of IPv4 resources obtained from
the waiting list. Allowing the lease of IPv4
resources obtained from the waiting list prior to the end of
the 60-month probation would seem to flaunt the intent of
the probation. However, once past the 60-month probation,
allowing the transfer or lease of IPv4 resources seems
consistent with the policies intent.</div>
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</div>
<div>I would like to point out that the transfer market has
been remarkably successful in making IPv4 resources
voluntarily available that otherwise would not have been
available or would have required a highly
litigious reclamation process to be made available. In
addition, leasing seems to be a natural evolution of the
transfer market for those that do not have the capital
funding to obtain IPv4 resources on the transfer market.
Finally, despite a few issues, the waiting list has also
been remarkably successful at ensuring any IPv4 resources
returned to ARIN, for whatever reason, are redistributed to
the ARIN community.</div>
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</div>
<div>Suggestions that ARIN should instead auction the waiting
list resources, while seemingly logical, given the success
of the transfer market, nevertheless seem incompatible with
ARIN's not-for-profit status.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In summary, leasing IPv4 resources obtained from the
waiting list after the 60-month probation should be allowed.
Prior to that, leasing should not be allowed. How we
effectively enforce that is another question entirely, and I
personally don't have any good answers to that question.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks</div>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 5, 2023 at
10:54 AM WOOD Alison * DAS <<a href="mailto:Alison.WOOD@das.oregon.gov" target="_blank">Alison.WOOD@das.oregon.gov</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good morning PPML!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I would like community feedback
on the leasing of ip space that is obtained from
the waitlist. Please let me know what you think
and if a policy proposal would be warranted.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">-Alison</p>
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