[arin-ppml] Policy Experience Report Working Group Leasing Question

[Fernando Frediani]

You can only lease what you own. What people are trying to do here is 
pretend they own the resources and earn money with an asset they don't 
own despite everything that what IP addresses have always meant for.

IP leasing is an attestation that the resource holder doesn't justify 
for those resources anymore, therefore they should be revoked and 
assigned to someone else who really justifies for it. ARIN should use 
any financial and legal resources it has to invest in a efficient 
reclamation process in order to keep its missing to assign shared 
resources to those who really need them to build internet 
infrastructure, not do those who wish to speculate around IP space.

Fernando

On 08/05/2023 01:40, Ron Grant wrote:
> Pitch perfect points herein:
> - Transfer market already successful
> - Avoids a "highly litigious reclamation process"
> - Leasing is a natural evolution of the Transfer process
> - Section 12 allows both for a reclamation due to misuse, and for a 
> green light after 5 years.
>
> I withdraw my initial "can o' worms" objection - when likening them to 
> transfers, it looks like we already have controls in place.
>
>
> On 2023-05-07 3:08 p.m., David Farmer via ARIN-PPML wrote:
>> In my opinion, the 60-month probation on transfers in section 4.1.8 
>> is intended to prevent immediate monetization through the transfer 
>> market of IPv4 resources obtained from the waiting list. Allowing the 
>> lease of IPv4 resources obtained from the waiting list prior to the 
>> end of the 60-month probation would seem to flaunt the intent of the 
>> probation. However, once past the 60-month probation, allowing the 
>> transfer or lease of IPv4 resources seems consistent with 
>> the policies intent.
>>
>> I would like to point out that the transfer market has been 
>> remarkably successful in making IPv4 resources voluntarily available 
>> that otherwise would not have been available or would have required a 
>> highly litigious reclamation process to be made available. In 
>> addition, leasing seems to be a natural evolution of the transfer 
>> market for those that do not have the capital funding to obtain IPv4 
>> resources on the transfer market. Finally, despite a few issues, the 
>> waiting list has also been remarkably successful at ensuring any IPv4 
>> resources returned to ARIN, for whatever reason, are redistributed to 
>> the ARIN community.
>>
>> Suggestions that ARIN should instead auction the waiting list 
>> resources, while seemingly logical, given the success of the transfer 
>> market, nevertheless seem incompatible with ARIN's not-for-profit status.
>>
>> In summary, leasing IPv4 resources obtained from the waiting list 
>> after the 60-month probation should be allowed. Prior to that, 
>> leasing should not be allowed. How we effectively enforce that is 
>> another question entirely, and I personally don't have any good 
>> answers to that question.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 10:54 AM WOOD Alison * DAS 
>> <Alison.WOOD at das.oregon.gov> wrote:
>>
>>     Good morning PPML!
>>
>>     I would like community feedback on the leasing of ip space that
>>     is obtained from the waitlist.  Please let me know what you think
>>     and if a policy proposal would be warranted.
>>
>>     Thank you!
>>
>>     -Alison
>>
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