[arin-ppml] Tenfold fee increases?

[Owen DeLong]

The good news is that when IPv4 finally goes away, so do the brokers and
all of the other silliness paid transfers have brought with them.

Owen


> On Jun 1, 2023, at 16:51, Michael B. Williams via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
> 
> Fees for IP Brokers should be 100,000 times more, in my opinion.
> 
> The fact that there is even a business for IP trading is sickening.
> 
> On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 6:32 AM Tom Fantacone <tom at iptrading.com <mailto:tom at iptrading.com>> wrote:
>> I was a bit stunned this morning to see our organization's ARIN fees 
>> would be going up by a factor of 10.  We live in inflationary times, 
>> but that's an increase of, let's see, I guess 1,000%?
>> 
>> Before the rest of you resource holders on the list have a coronary, 
>> let me qualify that this fee increase is for just for registered 
>> facilitators (brokers) and most of you won't be affected.  This 
>> time.  But the more general issue of ARIN raising fees in an 
>> extravagant manner with no solicitation for public discussion of the 
>> impact affects all of us.
>> 
>> When ARIN began the facilitators' program the annual fee was just 
>> $100.  A few years later the fee was raised tenfold to $1,000.  Today 
>> we learned that another tenfold increase would go into effect making 
>> our annual fee $10,000.  So it's actually a 100-fold increase in 
>> about a decade.
>> 
>> Our own organization won't be too affected by this.  We can handle 
>> it, and most of the larger IP brokers can as well.  It may even help 
>> us by driving away some competition.  But that shouldn't be the 
>> point.  There are smaller organizations that are facilitators that 
>> will be severely impacted.  We work with some of these and while they 
>> may not handle the volume of transactions we do, they do an excellent 
>> job in moving IPv4 resources to organizations that need them and 
>> educating the parties along the way.
>> 
>> There are some other changes to the facilitator program, including 
>> requiring liability insurance for ARIN, background checks, customer 
>> references, etc.  I assume this is to keep some of the riff-raff out 
>> and may be helpful.  I don't see how outrageous fee increases help anyone.
>> 
>> Other sharp fee increases have been brought up and complained about 
>> on this list, always after the fact.  The recent resource holder fee 
>> increases that saw end user organizations suddenly treated as ISPs 
>> comes to mind.  Recently, transfer fees spiked from $300 to $500 per 
>> transfer and were suddenly appled to source organizations in all 
>> transfers (it used to be just transfers from end user orgs).  As if 
>> that wasn't enough, ARIN started charging transfer recipients an 
>> additional transfer fee.  I can tell you from first-hand experience 
>> this hurt small organizations looking to acquire IPv4 blocks.
>> 
>> I recommend ARIN transparently solicit public input when pondering 
>> fee increases of such magnitude.  Hopefully before our fee goes up 
>> another 1,000%.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Tom Fantacone
>> 
>> 
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