[arin-ppml] Tenfold fee increases?

[Steven Ryerse]

We have to live in the real world and business is what has driven the Internet up to this point, and businesses including IP Brokers will help drive it into the future. No businesses then the internet is just an educational platform. My 2 cents.

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On Jun 1, 2023, at 9:23 PM, Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com> wrote:


I doubt you’d have many on the list, there are diminishing returns….
Thanks for the shout-out on our name though.
And for sharing your thoughts.

Regards,
Mike


From: ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> On Behalf Of Michael B. Williams via ARIN-PPML
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2023 7:52 PM
To: Tom Fantacone <tom at iptrading.com>
Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Tenfold fee increases?

Fees for IP Brokers should be 100,000 times more, in my opinion.

The fact that there is even a business for IP trading is sickening.

On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 6:32 AM Tom Fantacone <tom at iptrading.com<mailto:tom at iptrading.com>> wrote:
I was a bit stunned this morning to see our organization's ARIN fees
would be going up by a factor of 10.  We live in inflationary times,
but that's an increase of, let's see, I guess 1,000%?

Before the rest of you resource holders on the list have a coronary,
let me qualify that this fee increase is for just for registered
facilitators (brokers) and most of you won't be affected.  This
time.  But the more general issue of ARIN raising fees in an
extravagant manner with no solicitation for public discussion of the
impact affects all of us.

When ARIN began the facilitators' program the annual fee was just
$100.  A few years later the fee was raised tenfold to $1,000.  Today
we learned that another tenfold increase would go into effect making
our annual fee $10,000.  So it's actually a 100-fold increase in
about a decade.

Our own organization won't be too affected by this.  We can handle
it, and most of the larger IP brokers can as well.  It may even help
us by driving away some competition.  But that shouldn't be the
point.  There are smaller organizations that are facilitators that
will be severely impacted.  We work with some of these and while they
may not handle the volume of transactions we do, they do an excellent
job in moving IPv4 resources to organizations that need them and
educating the parties along the way.

There are some other changes to the facilitator program, including
requiring liability insurance for ARIN, background checks, customer
references, etc.  I assume this is to keep some of the riff-raff out
and may be helpful.  I don't see how outrageous fee increases help anyone.

Other sharp fee increases have been brought up and complained about
on this list, always after the fact.  The recent resource holder fee
increases that saw end user organizations suddenly treated as ISPs
comes to mind.  Recently, transfer fees spiked from $300 to $500 per
transfer and were suddenly appled to source organizations in all
transfers (it used to be just transfers from end user orgs).  As if
that wasn't enough, ARIN started charging transfer recipients an
additional transfer fee.  I can tell you from first-hand experience
this hurt small organizations looking to acquire IPv4 blocks.

I recommend ARIN transparently solicit public input when pondering
fee increases of such magnitude.  Hopefully before our fee goes up
another 1,000%.

Regards,

Tom Fantacone


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