<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">The good news is that when IPv4 finally goes away, so do the brokers and<div>all of the other silliness paid transfers have brought with them.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jun 1, 2023, at 16:51, Michael B. Williams via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml@arin.net> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Fees for IP Brokers should be 100,000 times more, in my opinion.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">The fact that there is even a business for IP trading is sickening.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 6:32 AM Tom Fantacone <<a href="mailto:tom@iptrading.com">tom@iptrading.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I was a bit stunned this morning to see our organization's ARIN fees <br>
would be going up by a factor of 10. We live in inflationary times, <br>
but that's an increase of, let's see, I guess 1,000%?<br>
<br>
Before the rest of you resource holders on the list have a coronary, <br>
let me qualify that this fee increase is for just for registered <br>
facilitators (brokers) and most of you won't be affected. This <br>
time. But the more general issue of ARIN raising fees in an <br>
extravagant manner with no solicitation for public discussion of the <br>
impact affects all of us.<br>
<br>
When ARIN began the facilitators' program the annual fee was just <br>
$100. A few years later the fee was raised tenfold to $1,000. Today <br>
we learned that another tenfold increase would go into effect making <br>
our annual fee $10,000. So it's actually a 100-fold increase in <br>
about a decade.<br>
<br>
Our own organization won't be too affected by this. We can handle <br>
it, and most of the larger IP brokers can as well. It may even help <br>
us by driving away some competition. But that shouldn't be the <br>
point. There are smaller organizations that are facilitators that <br>
will be severely impacted. We work with some of these and while they <br>
may not handle the volume of transactions we do, they do an excellent <br>
job in moving IPv4 resources to organizations that need them and <br>
educating the parties along the way.<br>
<br>
There are some other changes to the facilitator program, including <br>
requiring liability insurance for ARIN, background checks, customer <br>
references, etc. I assume this is to keep some of the riff-raff out <br>
and may be helpful. I don't see how outrageous fee increases help anyone.<br>
<br>
Other sharp fee increases have been brought up and complained about <br>
on this list, always after the fact. The recent resource holder fee <br>
increases that saw end user organizations suddenly treated as ISPs <br>
comes to mind. Recently, transfer fees spiked from $300 to $500 per <br>
transfer and were suddenly appled to source organizations in all <br>
transfers (it used to be just transfers from end user orgs). As if <br>
that wasn't enough, ARIN started charging transfer recipients an <br>
additional transfer fee. I can tell you from first-hand experience <br>
this hurt small organizations looking to acquire IPv4 blocks.<br>
<br>
I recommend ARIN transparently solicit public input when pondering <br>
fee increases of such magnitude. Hopefully before our fee goes up <br>
another 1,000%.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Tom Fantacone<br>
<br>
<br>
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