[arin-ppml] Tenfold fee increases?

[Michael B. Williams]

Yessir. I cannot wait for both… but something tells me it may not happen in
my lifetime.

On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 15:04 Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

> The good news is that when IPv4 finally goes away, so do the brokers and
> all of the other silliness paid transfers have brought with them.
>
> Owen
>
>
> On Jun 1, 2023, at 16:51, Michael B. Williams via ARIN-PPML <
> arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
>
> Fees for IP Brokers should be 100,000 times more, in my opinion.
>
> The fact that there is even a business for IP trading is sickening.
>
> On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 6:32 AM Tom Fantacone <tom at iptrading.com> wrote:
>
>> I was a bit stunned this morning to see our organization's ARIN fees
>> would be going up by a factor of 10.  We live in inflationary times,
>> but that's an increase of, let's see, I guess 1,000%?
>>
>> Before the rest of you resource holders on the list have a coronary,
>> let me qualify that this fee increase is for just for registered
>> facilitators (brokers) and most of you won't be affected.  This
>> time.  But the more general issue of ARIN raising fees in an
>> extravagant manner with no solicitation for public discussion of the
>> impact affects all of us.
>>
>> When ARIN began the facilitators' program the annual fee was just
>> $100.  A few years later the fee was raised tenfold to $1,000.  Today
>> we learned that another tenfold increase would go into effect making
>> our annual fee $10,000.  So it's actually a 100-fold increase in
>> about a decade.
>>
>> Our own organization won't be too affected by this.  We can handle
>> it, and most of the larger IP brokers can as well.  It may even help
>> us by driving away some competition.  But that shouldn't be the
>> point.  There are smaller organizations that are facilitators that
>> will be severely impacted.  We work with some of these and while they
>> may not handle the volume of transactions we do, they do an excellent
>> job in moving IPv4 resources to organizations that need them and
>> educating the parties along the way.
>>
>> There are some other changes to the facilitator program, including
>> requiring liability insurance for ARIN, background checks, customer
>> references, etc.  I assume this is to keep some of the riff-raff out
>> and may be helpful.  I don't see how outrageous fee increases help anyone.
>>
>> Other sharp fee increases have been brought up and complained about
>> on this list, always after the fact.  The recent resource holder fee
>> increases that saw end user organizations suddenly treated as ISPs
>> comes to mind.  Recently, transfer fees spiked from $300 to $500 per
>> transfer and were suddenly appled to source organizations in all
>> transfers (it used to be just transfers from end user orgs).  As if
>> that wasn't enough, ARIN started charging transfer recipients an
>> additional transfer fee.  I can tell you from first-hand experience
>> this hurt small organizations looking to acquire IPv4 blocks.
>>
>> I recommend ARIN transparently solicit public input when pondering
>> fee increases of such magnitude.  Hopefully before our fee goes up
>> another 1,000%.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tom Fantacone
>>
>>
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