[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy SlowStart and Simplified Needs Verification

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On Sep 23, 2014 4:18 PM, "Steven Ryerse" <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com>
wrote:
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> I have my ipv6 but only one of my upstreams supports it so I can’t run
BGP.  That’s real life at the moment.  Until then I still need ipv4 like
everyone else.
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Which bgp speaking upstream does not support ipv6?

Is it a regional network? You choose them because of price ?

CB
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> From: Owen DeLong [mailto:owen at delong.com]
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> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy
SlowStart and Simplified Needs Verification
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> Yep… Everyone should deploy IPv6… I’m all for that.
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> Owen
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> On Sep 22, 2014, at 7:31 PM, Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com>
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>> What a breath of fresh perspective!  This is what is going on in the
real world and much of it outside of ARIN - and I can’t even get consensus
of removing needs tests in ARIN-2014-18 on a measly /24.  As if somehow the
ipv4 depletion problem can be saved by limiting allocations of /24s.  The
world is changing rapidly and its time to embrace the future as it will be
very soon.
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>> Steven Ryerse
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>> 100 Ashford Center North, Suite 110, Atlanta, GA  30338
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>> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
Behalf Of David Huberman
>> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 10:02 PM
>> To: Matthew Petach
>> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net List (arin-ppml at arin.net)
>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy
SlowStart and Simplified Needs Verification
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>> ​Hiya Matthew,
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>> Thanks for the reply.  I want to respond to one item in your post:
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>> > I suspect the challenge here is that not everyone
>> > is in agreement about what constitutes a
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>> > "bona fide" transfer, as opposed to a land
>> > grab.  If we look at land allocations in california
>> > as any indication, humans will warp and twist
>> > any well-intentioned plan for their own greed
>> > and profits.
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>> If you talk to brokers and look at publicly-available
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>> data, it shows that the telcos and cablecos and large
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>> content providers have already scooped up (or are
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>> in the process of scooping up) the space they need
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>> for the forseeable future (presumably enough to
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>> tie them over until dual-stacking is sufficient).
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>> Amazon has been transferring blocks of a million
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>> IPs into their name from Merck for a few years now,
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>> according to transfer stats and Whois.
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>> Google has secured an exclusive option for more than
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>> a /8 worth of space already.
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>> Large blocks have disappeared off the market in China
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>> faster than you can lookup the Chinese welcoming phrase
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>> for "Hi".  [If anyone has an in on non-fraudulent space in
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>> China for sale, please hit me up!]
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>> From my point of view - and the point of view of my
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>> executives - this isn't a land grab.  It's for-profit
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>> corporations doing what's necessary to survive the
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>> current landscape while, as one PPML poster eloquently
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>> put it, fulfilling their fiduciary duty to their shareholders
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>> to ensure continuity of operations.  It makes business sense
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>> to these companies to buy or tie-up this space.
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>> And my point is not so much to argue about whether these
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>> are morally right or not, but to say that the big guys are already
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>> engaged in the market fully.  ARIN policy needs, in my opinion,
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>> to look out for everyone else to ensure equitability.  It isn't fair,
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>> in my world view, if Google can buy space willy-nilly without
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>> consequence, but Matthew and Dave's Tire Shop can't buy a
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>> /22 for their 1,000 devices which need front-end space without
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>> going through multiple rounds of transfers and purchases and
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>> what-have-you under ARIN policy.
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>> Just my opinion,
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>> David
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