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On Sep 23, 2014 4:18 PM, "Steven Ryerse" <<a href="mailto:SRyerse@eclipse-networks.com">SRyerse@eclipse-networks.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I have my ipv6 but only one of my upstreams supports it so I can’t run BGP. That’s real life at the moment. Until then I still need ipv4 like everyone else. <br>
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<p dir="ltr">Which bgp speaking upstream does not support ipv6?</p>
<p dir="ltr">Is it a regional network? You choose them because of price ?</p>
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> From: Owen DeLong [mailto:<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>] <br>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:08 PM<br>
> To: Steven Ryerse<br>
> Cc: David Huberman; Matthew Petach; <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a> List (<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>)<br>
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> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy SlowStart and Simplified Needs Verification<br>
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> Yep… Everyone should deploy IPv6… I’m all for that.<br>
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> Owen<br>
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> On Sep 22, 2014, at 7:31 PM, Steven Ryerse <<a href="mailto:SRyerse@eclipse-networks.com">SRyerse@eclipse-networks.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> What a breath of fresh perspective! This is what is going on in the real world and much of it outside of ARIN - and I can’t even get consensus of removing needs tests in ARIN-2014-18 on a measly /24. As if somehow the ipv4 depletion problem can be saved by limiting allocations of /24s. The world is changing rapidly and its time to embrace the future as it will be very soon. <br>
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>> Steven Ryerse<br>
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>> President<br>
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>> 100 Ashford Center North, Suite 110, Atlanta, GA 30338<br>
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>> From: <a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>] On Behalf Of David Huberman<br>
>> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 10:02 PM<br>
>> To: Matthew Petach<br>
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>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy SlowStart and Simplified Needs Verification<br>
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>> Hiya Matthew,<br>
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>> Thanks for the reply. I want to respond to one item in your post:<br>
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>> > I suspect the challenge here is that not everyone<br>
>> > is in agreement about what constitutes a<br>
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>> > "bona fide" transfer, as opposed to a land<br>
>> > grab. If we look at land allocations in california<br>
>> > as any indication, humans will warp and twist<br>
>> > any well-intentioned plan for their own greed<br>
>> > and profits.<br>
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>> If you talk to brokers and look at publicly-available<br>
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>> data, it shows that the telcos and cablecos and large<br>
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>> content providers have already scooped up (or are<br>
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>> in the process of scooping up) the space they need<br>
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>> for the forseeable future (presumably enough to<br>
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>> tie them over until dual-stacking is sufficient).<br>
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>> Amazon has been transferring blocks of a million<br>
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>> IPs into their name from Merck for a few years now,<br>
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>> according to transfer stats and Whois.<br>
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>> Google has secured an exclusive option for more than<br>
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>> a /8 worth of space already.<br>
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>> Large blocks have disappeared off the market in China<br>
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>> faster than you can lookup the Chinese welcoming phrase<br>
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>> for "Hi". [If anyone has an in on non-fraudulent space in<br>
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>> China for sale, please hit me up!] <br>
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>> From my point of view - and the point of view of my<br>
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>> executives - this isn't a land grab. It's for-profit<br>
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>> corporations doing what's necessary to survive the<br>
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>> current landscape while, as one PPML poster eloquently<br>
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>> put it, fulfilling their fiduciary duty to their shareholders<br>
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>> to ensure continuity of operations. It makes business sense<br>
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>> to these companies to buy or tie-up this space.<br>
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>> And my point is not so much to argue about whether these<br>
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>> are morally right or not, but to say that the big guys are already<br>
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>> engaged in the market fully. ARIN policy needs, in my opinion,<br>
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>> to look out for everyone else to ensure equitability. It isn't fair,<br>
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>> in my world view, if Google can buy space willy-nilly without<br>
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>> consequence, but Matthew and Dave's Tire Shop can't buy a<br>
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>> /22 for their 1,000 devices which need front-end space without<br>
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>> going through multiple rounds of transfers and purchases and<br>
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>> what-have-you under ARIN policy.<br>
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>> Just my opinion,<br>
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>> David<br>
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