[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy SlowStartand Simplified Needs Verification

Steven Ryerse SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com
Tue Sep 23 20:37:31 EDT 2014


It is a Comcast Fiber line but it goes thru a local Atlanta CLEC and the CLEC does not support ipv6 yet.  They tell us that hardly anyone asks them about ipv6. This CLEC is next door to Georgia Tech so you would think more folks would request it from them but I guess not so far.

Steven Ryerse
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On Sep 23, 2014 4:18 PM, "Steven Ryerse" <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com<mailto:SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com>> wrote:
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> I have my ipv6 but only one of my upstreams supports it so I can’t run BGP.  That’s real life at the moment.  Until then I still need ipv4 like everyone else.
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Which bgp speaking upstream does not support ipv6?

Is it a regional network? You choose them because of price ?

CB
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> Steven Ryerse
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> President
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> 100 Ashford Center North, Suite 110, Atlanta, GA  30338
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> 770.656.1460 - Cell
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> 770.399.9099- Office
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> ℠ Eclipse Networks, Inc.
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>         Conquering Complex Networks℠
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> From: Owen DeLong [mailto:owen at delong.com<mailto:owen at delong.com>]
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> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy SlowStart and Simplified Needs Verification
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> Yep… Everyone should deploy IPv6… I’m all for that.
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> Owen
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> On Sep 22, 2014, at 7:31 PM, Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com<mailto:SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com>> wrote:
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>> What a breath of fresh perspective!  This is what is going on in the real world and much of it outside of ARIN - and I can’t even get consensus of removing needs tests in ARIN-2014-18 on a measly /24.  As if somehow the ipv4 depletion problem can be saved by limiting allocations of /24s.  The world is changing rapidly and its time to embrace the future as it will be very soon.
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>> Steven Ryerse
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>> President
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>> 100 Ashford Center North, Suite 110, Atlanta, GA  30338
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>> 770.399.9099- Office
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>> ​Hiya Matthew,
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>> Thanks for the reply.  I want to respond to one item in your post:
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>> > I suspect the challenge here is that not everyone
>> > is in agreement about what constitutes a
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>> > "bona fide" transfer, as opposed to a land
>> > grab.  If we look at land allocations in california
>> > as any indication, humans will warp and twist
>> > any well-intentioned plan for their own greed
>> > and profits.
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>> If you talk to brokers and look at publicly-available
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>> data, it shows that the telcos and cablecos and large
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>> content providers have already scooped up (or are
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>> in the process of scooping up) the space they need
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>> for the forseeable future (presumably enough to
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>> tie them over until dual-stacking is sufficient).
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>> Amazon has been transferring blocks of a million
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>> IPs into their name from Merck for a few years now,
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>> according to transfer stats and Whois.
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>> Google has secured an exclusive option for more than
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>> a /8 worth of space already.
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>> Large blocks have disappeared off the market in China
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>> faster than you can lookup the Chinese welcoming phrase
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>> for "Hi".  [If anyone has an in on non-fraudulent space in
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>> China for sale, please hit me up!]
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>> From my point of view - and the point of view of my
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>> executives - this isn't a land grab.  It's for-profit
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>> corporations doing what's necessary to survive the
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>> current landscape while, as one PPML poster eloquently
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>> put it, fulfilling their fiduciary duty to their shareholders
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>> to ensure continuity of operations.  It makes business sense
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>> to these companies to buy or tie-up this space.
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>> And my point is not so much to argue about whether these
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>> are morally right or not, but to say that the big guys are already
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>> engaged in the market fully.  ARIN policy needs, in my opinion,
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>> to look out for everyone else to ensure equitability.  It isn't fair,
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>> in my world view, if Google can buy space willy-nilly without
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>> consequence, but Matthew and Dave's Tire Shop can't buy a
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>> /22 for their 1,000 devices which need front-end space without
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>> going through multiple rounds of transfers and purchases and
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>> what-have-you under ARIN policy.
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>> Just my opinion,
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>> David
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