[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy SlowStart and Simplified Needs Verification

[Owen DeLong]

You said: " The world is changing rapidly and its time to embrace the future as it will be very soon. “

I was replying to that.

Owen

On Sep 23, 2014, at 4:17 PM, Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com> wrote:

> I have my ipv6 but only one of my upstreams supports it so I can’t run BGP.  That’s real life at the moment.  Until then I still need ipv4 like everyone else. 
>  
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> From: Owen DeLong [mailto:owen at delong.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:08 PM
> To: Steven Ryerse
> Cc: David Huberman; Matthew Petach; arin-ppml at arin.net List (arin-ppml at arin.net)
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy SlowStart and Simplified Needs Verification
>  
> Yep… Everyone should deploy IPv6… I’m all for that.
>  
> Owen
>  
> On Sep 22, 2014, at 7:31 PM, Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> What a breath of fresh perspective!  This is what is going on in the real world and much of it outside of ARIN - and I can’t even get consensus of removing needs tests in ARIN-2014-18 on a measly /24.  As if somehow the ipv4 depletion problem can be saved by limiting allocations of /24s.  The world is changing rapidly and its time to embrace the future as it will be very soon. 
>  
>  
> Steven Ryerse
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> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of David Huberman
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 10:02 PM
> To: Matthew Petach
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net List (arin-ppml at arin.net)
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy SlowStart and Simplified Needs Verification
>  
> ​Hiya Matthew,
>  
> Thanks for the reply.  I want to respond to one item in your post:
>  
> > I suspect the challenge here is that not everyone
> > is in agreement about what constitutes a
> > "bona fide" transfer, as opposed to a land
> > grab.  If we look at land allocations in california
> > as any indication, humans will warp and twist
> > any well-intentioned plan for their own greed
> > and profits.
>  
> If you talk to brokers and look at publicly-available
> data, it shows that the telcos and cablecos and large
> content providers have already scooped up (or are
> in the process of scooping up) the space they need
> for the forseeable future (presumably enough to
> tie them over until dual-stacking is sufficient).
>  
> Amazon has been transferring blocks of a million
> IPs into their name from Merck for a few years now,
> according to transfer stats and Whois.
>  
> Google has secured an exclusive option for more than
> a /8 worth of space already.
>  
> Large blocks have disappeared off the market in China
> faster than you can lookup the Chinese welcoming phrase
> for "Hi".  [If anyone has an in on non-fraudulent space in
> China for sale, please hit me up!] 
>  
> From my point of view - and the point of view of my
> executives - this isn't a land grab.  It's for-profit
> corporations doing what's necessary to survive the
> current landscape while, as one PPML poster eloquently
> put it, fulfilling their fiduciary duty to their shareholders
> to ensure continuity of operations.  It makes business sense
> to these companies to buy or tie-up this space.
>  
> And my point is not so much to argue about whether these
> are morally right or not, but to say that the big guys are already
> engaged in the market fully.  ARIN policy needs, in my opinion,
> to look out for everyone else to ensure equitability.  It isn't fair,
> in my world view, if Google can buy space willy-nilly without
> consequence, but Matthew and Dave's Tire Shop can't buy a
> /22 for their 1,000 devices which need front-end space without
> going through multiple rounds of transfers and purchases and
> what-have-you under ARIN policy.
>  
> Just my opinion,
> David
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