[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy SlowStart and Simplified Needs Verification

Steven Ryerse SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com
Tue Sep 23 19:17:03 EDT 2014


I have my ipv6 but only one of my upstreams supports it so I can’t run BGP.  That’s real life at the moment.  Until then I still need ipv4 like everyone else.

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From: Owen DeLong [mailto:owen at delong.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:08 PM
To: Steven Ryerse
Cc: David Huberman; Matthew Petach; arin-ppml at arin.net List (arin-ppml at arin.net)
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy SlowStart and Simplified Needs Verification

Yep… Everyone should deploy IPv6… I’m all for that.

Owen

On Sep 22, 2014, at 7:31 PM, Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com<mailto:SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com>> wrote:


What a breath of fresh perspective!  This is what is going on in the real world and much of it outside of ARIN - and I can’t even get consensus of removing needs tests in ARIN-2014-18 on a measly /24.  As if somehow the ipv4 depletion problem can be saved by limiting allocations of /24s.  The world is changing rapidly and its time to embrace the future as it will be very soon.


Steven Ryerse
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From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net<mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of David Huberman
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 10:02 PM
To: Matthew Petach
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Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy SlowStart and Simplified Needs Verification

​Hiya Matthew,

Thanks for the reply.  I want to respond to one item in your post:

> I suspect the challenge here is that not everyone
> is in agreement about what constitutes a
> "bona fide" transfer, as opposed to a land
> grab.  If we look at land allocations in california
> as any indication, humans will warp and twist
> any well-intentioned plan for their own greed
> and profits.

If you talk to brokers and look at publicly-available
data, it shows that the telcos and cablecos and large
content providers have already scooped up (or are
in the process of scooping up) the space they need
for the forseeable future (presumably enough to
tie them over until dual-stacking is sufficient).

Amazon has been transferring blocks of a million
IPs into their name from Merck for a few years now,
according to transfer stats and Whois.

Google has secured an exclusive option for more than
a /8 worth of space already.

Large blocks have disappeared off the market in China
faster than you can lookup the Chinese welcoming phrase
for "Hi".  [If anyone has an in on non-fraudulent space in
China for sale, please hit me up!]

From my point of view - and the point of view of my
executives - this isn't a land grab.  It's for-profit
corporations doing what's necessary to survive the
current landscape while, as one PPML poster eloquently
put it, fulfilling their fiduciary duty to their shareholders
to ensure continuity of operations.  It makes business sense
to these companies to buy or tie-up this space.

And my point is not so much to argue about whether these
are morally right or not, but to say that the big guys are already
engaged in the market fully.  ARIN policy needs, in my opinion,
to look out for everyone else to ensure equitability.  It isn't fair,
in my world view, if Google can buy space willy-nilly without
consequence, but Matthew and Dave's Tire Shop can't buy a
/22 for their 1,000 devices which need front-end space without
going through multiple rounds of transfers and purchases and
what-have-you under ARIN policy.

Just my opinion,
David
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