[arin-ppml] Ip allocation

Mon Apr 28 23:09:59 EDT 2014

I support prop 207, but would like some further discussion.  Hopefully
rapidly; Derek sounds like his org deserves the space under the conditions.

-george william herbert
george.herbert at gmail.com

On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Andrew Dul <andrew.dul at quark.net> wrote:

> A proposal has been submitted into the PDP process based upon feedback
> and breakout discussions that occurred at the last meeting.  I believe
> this proposal may help with the issue which started this thread.
>
> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/ARIN_prop_207_orig.html
>
> There is also another group of folks working on a proposal to update
> section 4.2.2 based upon feedback received at the meeting and the policy
> experience report
> (
> https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_33/PDF/monday/nobile_policy.pdf
> )
> presented at the meeting.  I suspect we will also have another proposal
> submitted to the policy development process shortly.
>
> Andrew
>
>
> On 4/28/2014 5:16 PM, Steven Ryerse wrote:
> > I agree it is past time to do this as it is ARIN's reason to exist to
> allocate.
> >
> >
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> > From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of David Huberman
> > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 8:13 PM
> > To: Michael Peddemors; arin-ppml at arin.net
> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Ip allocation
> >
> > Full support.  Making a single ISP initial allocation criteria that
> opens a /22 (or more!) to all first timers would be about 10 years past
> due, but still helpful to the community ARIN serves.
> >
> > David R Huberman
> > Microsoft Corporation
> > Senior IT/OPS Program Manager (GFS)
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> on behalf
> of Michael Peddemors <michael at linuxmagic.com>
> > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 4:45:20 PM
> > To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Ip allocation
> >
> > Actually, this is timely, and you probably started at the right place,
> what would be needed though is for someone to write up a draft resolution
> to this affect, to change current policies.
> >
> > I was just talking to several parties regarding the same issue, and
> while there might have been justification in the past, when routing issues
> were a greater concern than running out of IPv4 space, but given the
> current situation, maybe it is time to rethink this policy.
> >
> > In the mean time, you are faced in getting two upstream providers to
> route to your prospective /22.  I know, it doesn't make too much sense that
> the small guy should bear the burden of extra costs etc.. for being honest
> about his projected requirements..
> >
> > Any other support out there for policy changes in this area?
> >
> > On 14-04-28 04:33 PM, Derek Calanchini wrote:
> >> Hello all, I will be brief as possible.  I need assistance with either
> >> requesting a policy change or an appeal/exception to current policy.
> >>
> >> I started business in 1995 with 4 Class C's assigned from Integra (
> >> /22 ).  I am a full service IT provider offering pretty much
> >> everything but connectivity.  Over the years I have developed my
> >> network such that I am using my IP's very efficiently.  Host headers
> >> on most web sites, internal IP's whenever possible, and of course
> >> certain thing must be static, single IP's on a host.
> >>
> >> I am moving in less then a year to a new office, and taking the
> >> opportunity to get on the ATT fiber backbone rather then 4 bonded
> >> T-1's from Integra (which is very expensive)  Integra tells me I can
> >> not take my IP's with me, and ATT tells me the largest block they will
> >> give me is a single class C.
> >>
> >> So I went out to Arin and setup my account and requested a /22 which
> >> was denied because the smallest block they will give a single homed
> >> ISP is a
> >> /20 (4096 ip's)
> >>
> >> I feel like I am being penalized for using my IP's efficiently!!  As I
> >> see it, I only have one option:  Rework my network so every site I
> >> host uses it's own dedicated IP so that I can justify needing a
> >> /20...in which case I feel I would be doing the internet community a
> disservice.
> >>
> >> Can anyone provided feedback on how to better resolve this?  How do I
> >> start getting the policy changed?  Is there a process I can go through
> >> to get an exemption?  Would excalation my request be of any use?
> >>
> >> With the IP 4 space dwindling, wouldn't it be a better policy to allow
> >> small business to get only what they need?
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>   Best regards,
> >>
> >>     Derek Calanchini
> >>     Owner
> >>     Creative Network Solutions
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> >>
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