<div dir="ltr">I support prop 207, but would like some further discussion. Hopefully rapidly; Derek sounds like his org deserves the space under the conditions.<div><br></div><div>-george william herbert</div><div><a href="mailto:george.herbert@gmail.com">george.herbert@gmail.com</a></div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Andrew Dul <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andrew.dul@quark.net" target="_blank">andrew.dul@quark.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">A proposal has been submitted into the PDP process based upon feedback<br>
and breakout discussions that occurred at the last meeting. I believe<br>
this proposal may help with the issue which started this thread.<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/ARIN_prop_207_orig.html" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/ARIN_prop_207_orig.html</a><br>
<br>
There is also another group of folks working on a proposal to update<br>
section 4.2.2 based upon feedback received at the meeting and the policy<br>
experience report<br>
(<a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_33/PDF/monday/nobile_policy.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_33/PDF/monday/nobile_policy.pdf</a>)<br>
presented at the meeting. I suspect we will also have another proposal<br>
submitted to the policy development process shortly.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Andrew<br>
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On 4/28/2014 5:16 PM, Steven Ryerse wrote:<br>
> I agree it is past time to do this as it is ARIN's reason to exist to allocate.<br>
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> Actually, this is timely, and you probably started at the right place, what would be needed though is for someone to write up a draft resolution to this affect, to change current policies.<br>
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> I was just talking to several parties regarding the same issue, and while there might have been justification in the past, when routing issues were a greater concern than running out of IPv4 space, but given the current situation, maybe it is time to rethink this policy.<br>
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> In the mean time, you are faced in getting two upstream providers to route to your prospective /22. I know, it doesn't make too much sense that the small guy should bear the burden of extra costs etc.. for being honest about his projected requirements..<br>
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> Any other support out there for policy changes in this area?<br>
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> On 14-04-28 04:33 PM, Derek Calanchini wrote:<br>
>> Hello all, I will be brief as possible. I need assistance with either<br>
>> requesting a policy change or an appeal/exception to current policy.<br>
>><br>
>> I started business in 1995 with 4 Class C's assigned from Integra (<br>
>> /22 ). I am a full service IT provider offering pretty much<br>
>> everything but connectivity. Over the years I have developed my<br>
>> network such that I am using my IP's very efficiently. Host headers<br>
>> on most web sites, internal IP's whenever possible, and of course<br>
>> certain thing must be static, single IP's on a host.<br>
>><br>
>> I am moving in less then a year to a new office, and taking the<br>
>> opportunity to get on the ATT fiber backbone rather then 4 bonded<br>
>> T-1's from Integra (which is very expensive) Integra tells me I can<br>
>> not take my IP's with me, and ATT tells me the largest block they will<br>
>> give me is a single class C.<br>
>><br>
>> So I went out to Arin and setup my account and requested a /22 which<br>
>> was denied because the smallest block they will give a single homed<br>
>> ISP is a<br>
>> /20 (4096 ip's)<br>
>><br>
>> I feel like I am being penalized for using my IP's efficiently!! As I<br>
>> see it, I only have one option: Rework my network so every site I<br>
>> host uses it's own dedicated IP so that I can justify needing a<br>
>> /20...in which case I feel I would be doing the internet community a disservice.<br>
>><br>
>> Can anyone provided feedback on how to better resolve this? How do I<br>
>> start getting the policy changed? Is there a process I can go through<br>
>> to get an exemption? Would excalation my request be of any use?<br>
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>> With the IP 4 space dwindling, wouldn't it be a better policy to allow<br>
>> small business to get only what they need?<br>
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