[arin-ppml] Ip allocation

Michael Peddemors michael at linuxmagic.com
Tue Apr 29 11:06:09 EDT 2014


Proposal 207 is novel, but it is meant strictly for those looking to 
'transition' to IPv6, so in this case he might not qualify..

I don't think that 207 is enough yet, and while on it's own I could 
normally support it except for one thing..  30 days is a little to short 
of time for smaller operators trying to work through getting the routing 
all done, and other internals to expect them to get 25% of the IP(s) set 
up in that short of a time frame.

I would support with a '90 day' time frame for them to configure 25% usage.

But again, I think that 207 could be expanded to also include a 
reduction in the size allotments for single homed in general from a /20 
to a /22, and by putting this all in 207, we stand to see it getting 
earlier approval I believe


On 14-04-28 08:09 PM, George Herbert wrote:
> I support prop 207, but would like some further discussion.  Hopefully
> rapidly; Derek sounds like his org deserves the space under the conditions.
>
> -george william herbert
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>
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Andrew Dul <andrew.dul at quark.net
> <mailto:andrew.dul at quark.net>> wrote:
>
>     A proposal has been submitted into the PDP process based upon feedback
>     and breakout discussions that occurred at the last meeting.  I believe
>     this proposal may help with the issue which started this thread.
>
>     https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/ARIN_prop_207_orig.html
>
>     There is also another group of folks working on a proposal to update
>     section 4.2.2 based upon feedback received at the meeting and the policy
>     experience report
>     (https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_33/PDF/monday/nobile_policy.pdf)
>     presented at the meeting.  I suspect we will also have another proposal
>     submitted to the policy development process shortly.
>
>     Andrew
>
>
>     On 4/28/2014 5:16 PM, Steven Ryerse wrote:
>      > I agree it is past time to do this as it is ARIN's reason to
>     exist to allocate.
>      >
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>      > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Ip allocation
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>      > Full support.  Making a single ISP initial allocation criteria
>     that opens a /22 (or more!) to all first timers would be about 10
>     years past due, but still helpful to the community ARIN serves.
>      >
>      > David R Huberman
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>     <mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net>> on behalf of Michael Peddemors
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>      > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 4:45:20 PM
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>      > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Ip allocation
>      >
>      > Actually, this is timely, and you probably started at the right
>     place, what would be needed though is for someone to write up a
>     draft resolution to this affect, to change current policies.
>      >
>      > I was just talking to several parties regarding the same issue,
>     and while there might have been justification in the past, when
>     routing issues were a greater concern than running out of IPv4
>     space, but given the current situation, maybe it is time to rethink
>     this policy.
>      >
>      > In the mean time, you are faced in getting two upstream providers
>     to route to your prospective /22.  I know, it doesn't make too much
>     sense that the small guy should bear the burden of extra costs etc..
>     for being honest about his projected requirements..
>      >
>      > Any other support out there for policy changes in this area?
>      >
>      > On 14-04-28 04:33 PM, Derek Calanchini wrote:
>      >> Hello all, I will be brief as possible.  I need assistance with
>     either
>      >> requesting a policy change or an appeal/exception to current policy.
>      >>
>      >> I started business in 1995 with 4 Class C's assigned from Integra (
>      >> /22 ).  I am a full service IT provider offering pretty much
>      >> everything but connectivity.  Over the years I have developed my
>      >> network such that I am using my IP's very efficiently.  Host headers
>      >> on most web sites, internal IP's whenever possible, and of course
>      >> certain thing must be static, single IP's on a host.
>      >>
>      >> I am moving in less then a year to a new office, and taking the
>      >> opportunity to get on the ATT fiber backbone rather then 4 bonded
>      >> T-1's from Integra (which is very expensive)  Integra tells me I can
>      >> not take my IP's with me, and ATT tells me the largest block
>     they will
>      >> give me is a single class C.
>      >>
>      >> So I went out to Arin and setup my account and requested a /22 which
>      >> was denied because the smallest block they will give a single homed
>      >> ISP is a
>      >> /20 (4096 ip's)
>      >>
>      >> I feel like I am being penalized for using my IP's efficiently!!
>       As I
>      >> see it, I only have one option:  Rework my network so every site I
>      >> host uses it's own dedicated IP so that I can justify needing a
>      >> /20...in which case I feel I would be doing the internet
>     community a disservice.
>      >>
>      >> Can anyone provided feedback on how to better resolve this?  How
>     do I
>      >> start getting the policy changed?  Is there a process I can go
>     through
>      >> to get an exemption?  Would excalation my request be of any use?
>      >>
>      >> With the IP 4 space dwindling, wouldn't it be a better policy to
>     allow
>      >> small business to get only what they need?
>      >>
>      >>
>      >> --
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>      >>
>      >>     Derek Calanchini
>      >>     Owner
>      >>     Creative Network Solutions
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>      >>     Fax: 916-852-2899
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