[arin-ppml] Ip allocation

Andrew Dul andrew.dul at quark.net
Mon Apr 28 20:37:10 EDT 2014 

A proposal has been submitted into the PDP process based upon feedback
and breakout discussions that occurred at the last meeting.  I believe
this proposal may help with the issue which started this thread.

https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/ARIN_prop_207_orig.html

There is also another group of folks working on a proposal to update
section 4.2.2 based upon feedback received at the meeting and the policy
experience report
(https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_33/PDF/monday/nobile_policy.pdf)
presented at the meeting.  I suspect we will also have another proposal
submitted to the policy development process shortly.

Andrew


On 4/28/2014 5:16 PM, Steven Ryerse wrote:
> I agree it is past time to do this as it is ARIN's reason to exist to allocate.  
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> Full support.  Making a single ISP initial allocation criteria that opens a /22 (or more!) to all first timers would be about 10 years past due, but still helpful to the community ARIN serves.
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> Actually, this is timely, and you probably started at the right place, what would be needed though is for someone to write up a draft resolution to this affect, to change current policies.
>
> I was just talking to several parties regarding the same issue, and while there might have been justification in the past, when routing issues were a greater concern than running out of IPv4 space, but given the current situation, maybe it is time to rethink this policy.
>
> In the mean time, you are faced in getting two upstream providers to route to your prospective /22.  I know, it doesn't make too much sense that the small guy should bear the burden of extra costs etc.. for being honest about his projected requirements..
>
> Any other support out there for policy changes in this area?
>
> On 14-04-28 04:33 PM, Derek Calanchini wrote:
>> Hello all, I will be brief as possible.  I need assistance with either 
>> requesting a policy change or an appeal/exception to current policy.
>>
>> I started business in 1995 with 4 Class C's assigned from Integra ( 
>> /22 ).  I am a full service IT provider offering pretty much 
>> everything but connectivity.  Over the years I have developed my 
>> network such that I am using my IP's very efficiently.  Host headers 
>> on most web sites, internal IP's whenever possible, and of course 
>> certain thing must be static, single IP's on a host.
>>
>> I am moving in less then a year to a new office, and taking the 
>> opportunity to get on the ATT fiber backbone rather then 4 bonded 
>> T-1's from Integra (which is very expensive)  Integra tells me I can 
>> not take my IP's with me, and ATT tells me the largest block they will 
>> give me is a single class C.
>>
>> So I went out to Arin and setup my account and requested a /22 which 
>> was denied because the smallest block they will give a single homed 
>> ISP is a
>> /20 (4096 ip's)
>>
>> I feel like I am being penalized for using my IP's efficiently!!  As I 
>> see it, I only have one option:  Rework my network so every site I 
>> host uses it's own dedicated IP so that I can justify needing a 
>> /20...in which case I feel I would be doing the internet community a disservice.
>>
>> Can anyone provided feedback on how to better resolve this?  How do I 
>> start getting the policy changed?  Is there a process I can go through 
>> to get an exemption?  Would excalation my request be of any use?
>>
>> With the IP 4 space dwindling, wouldn't it be a better policy to allow 
>> small business to get only what they need?
>>
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