[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles - revised

[Steven Ryerse]

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From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Mike Burns
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:39 AM
To: Bill Darte; William Herrin
Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles - revised

I see conservation not as a principle, I mean really the guiding principle should have been distribution of addresses, not conservation of them.
The goal was to grow the Internet through the dissemination of addresses.
Conservation was not the principle, it was the means to prevent the emptying of the free pool by bad actors.
These recent incarnations of this proposal continue to try to shoehorn conservation as a principle, even to the point of including conservation inside registration.
I don’t think it is either a principal or a goal, for that matter, just a protective mechanism for free pool addresses.
With the exhaustion of the free pool, conservation has no place in the NRPM.
Until that time, we don’t need to clutter the NRPM with some hoary language from another era.

I am still against the proposal.

Regards,
Mike Burns




From: Bill Darte<mailto:billdarte at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 6:49 AM
To: William Herrin<mailto:bill at herrin.us>
Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net<mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles - revised

No offense taken....and I assure you that it was not a smart ass comment, but a somewhat cynical observation of history.  But I do not see how you continue to suggest that the principles of rfc 2050 are not just that.  Conservation is a principle which has as its goal longevity of address availability.  Routability is a principle which help preserve proper functioning of the Internet mesh, a goal.  And Registration as a principle has as its goal the unique usage of numbers.  I believe that they are principles upon which our goals have been pinned and have been effective in my opinion.

bd

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:45 PM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us<mailto:bill at herrin.us>> wrote:
You're right John. Bill, I apologize for calling you a smart ass.

The draft describes desirable states, not a belief system. Bill
defined the former as goals and the latter as principles. Bill then
cleverly and deliberately mischaracterized my comment that, if that's
so, the draft should be relabelled with the correct word: goals.

Clearly I was wrong to view Bill's 'ditching principles' response as a
smart-ass remark. And even if it was, it was unforgivably rude for me
to have said so.

Regards,
Bill Herrin


On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Sweeting, John
<john.sweeting at twcable.com<mailto:john.sweeting at twcable.com>> wrote:
> Bill Herrin, you are totally out of line here. Please clean it up, there
> is no excuse for your rudeness below. Period.
>
> On 7/10/13 8:47 AM, "William Herrin" <bill at herrin.us<mailto:bill at herrin.us>> wrote:
>>On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Bill Darte <billdarte at gmail.com<mailto:billdarte at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:55 PM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us<mailto:bill at herrin.us>> wrote:
>>>> Then perhaps we should ditch the word "principles" and stick with
>>>> "goals" like RFC 2050 did.
>>
>>> I think in this world, the ditching of principles has always proven to
>>>be a
>>> poor choice.



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