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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Burns<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bill Darte; William Herrin<br>
<b>Cc:</b> arin-ppml@arin.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles - revised<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I see conservation not as a principle, I mean really the guiding principle should have been distribution of addresses, not conservation of them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">The goal was to grow the Internet through the dissemination of addresses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Conservation was not the principle, it was the means to prevent the emptying of the free pool by bad actors.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">These recent incarnations of this proposal continue to try to shoehorn conservation as a principle, even to the point of including conservation inside registration.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I don’t think it is either a principal or a goal, for that matter, just a protective mechanism for free pool addresses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">With the exhaustion of the free pool, conservation has no place in the NRPM.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Until that time, we don’t need to clutter the NRPM with some hoary language from another era.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us" title="bill@herrin.us">William Herrin</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" title="arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy
ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles - revised<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">No offense taken....and I assure you that it was not a smart ass comment, but a somewhat cynical observation of history. But I do not see how you continue to suggest that the
principles of rfc 2050 are not just that. Conservation is a principle which has as its goal longevity of address availability. Routability is a principle which help preserve proper functioning of the Internet mesh, a goal. And Registration as a principle
has as its goal the unique usage of numbers. I believe that they are principles upon which our goals have been pinned and have been effective in my opinion.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:45 PM, William Herrin <<a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us" target="_blank">bill@herrin.us</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">You're right John. Bill, I apologize for calling you a smart ass.<br>
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The draft describes desirable states, not a belief system. Bill<br>
defined the former as goals and the latter as principles. Bill then<br>
cleverly and deliberately mischaracterized my comment that, if that's<br>
so, the draft should be relabelled with the correct word: goals.<br>
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Clearly I was wrong to view Bill's 'ditching principles' response as a<br>
smart-ass remark. And even if it was, it was unforgivably rude for me<br>
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Regards,<br>
Bill Herrin<br>
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On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Sweeting, John<br>
<<a href="mailto:john.sweeting@twcable.com">john.sweeting@twcable.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Bill Herrin, you are totally out of line here. Please clean it up, there<br>
> is no excuse for your rudeness below. Period.<br>
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> On 7/10/13 8:47 AM, "William Herrin" <<a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us">bill@herrin.us</a>> wrote:<br>
>>On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Bill Darte <<a href="mailto:billdarte@gmail.com">billdarte@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:55 PM, William Herrin <<a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us">bill@herrin.us</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> Then perhaps we should ditch the word "principles" and stick with<br>
>>>> "goals" like RFC 2050 did.<br>
>><br>
>>> I think in this world, the ditching of principles has always proven to<br>
>>>be a<br>
>>> poor choice.<br>
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