[arin-ppml] Clean up definition of LIR/ISP vs. end-user

Scott Leibrand scottleibrand at gmail.com
Mon Apr 29 17:50:01 EDT 2013


On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:31 PM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I would propose that the primary difference between ISPs/LIRs vs.
> end-users,
> > for purposes of the NRPM, is whether an organization reassigns address
> > blocks to third parties.  If an organization maintains full control of
> all
> > of the equipment on its network, and doesn't need to make any
> reassignments
> > to other organizations, then it can qualify as an end-user.  In
> particular,
> > an end user organization must be able to supply a full list of all the IP
> > addresses in use on its network, and know what devices are using those
> > addresses.
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> Keep it simple:
>
> 1. There is no LIR. Only ISP.  I get the distinction but it's
> needlessly confusing for everybody who isn't steeped in ARIN policy.
>

I was considering a global search-and-replace of LIR with ISP.  If people
think that'd be helpful, I'd be happy to include that change in the policy
proposal.

(FWIW, the term LIR is primarily used by some of the other RIRs, and the
main reason it's in ARIN policy was that the IPv6 policy was originally a
globally coordinated policy that used common language with all the other
RIRs.  But we can change it if we feel like it.)


>
> 2. If you don't claim to be an end user, you're an ISP subject to all
> rules, privileges and fees.
>
> 3. If no portion of your justification for IP addresses is based on
> assignment to and opaque use by a third party you may claim to be an
> end-user subject to end-user rules, privileges and fees.
>

Yes, I think those summarize the distinction I'm trying to draw.

-Scott
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