[ppml] Policy Proposal -- Eliminate Lame Server policy

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Tue Sep 11 23:51:43 EDT 2007


Ted,
	I believe you miss the point of my proposal.  While I do believe that
ARIN has a role to play in applying the clue bat to lame or partially  
lame
ISPs and addressing John's issue, my point is that it belongs in  
operational
guidelines to ARIN staff and not in the NRPM.

	My proposal talks about what I think belongs in the NRPM and is
not a direct expression of how I feel about what ARIN staff should or
should not be doing with respect to this particular issue.  I would  
fully
support an ACSP recommendation that ARIN address all IN-ADDR
lameness whether complete or not on any direct assignment.  This will
potentially require ARIN to examine as many as 255 zones in IPv4 for
a single assignment.

	I would oppose any suggestion requiring ARIN to drill down
to lame delegations made by the ISPs relating to reassignment or
reallocations made by the ISP because of dramatically increasing
workload for dramatically decreasing return on investment and
because there is a limit to the extent to which I believe ARIN should
engage in telling operators how to run their network (let alone their
customers' networks).

	I will also oppose any policy regarding the operational and/or
implementation details of lame delegations because I firmly believe
this is not the role of the NRPM and should be addressed with
operational procedures and recommendations rather than with
number resource policies.

Owen

On Sep 11, 2007, at 5:26 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

> Yes John you are correct but the way things often work on this list  
> is someone like Owen will
> submit a policy to remove something that shouldn't obviously be  
> removed, the result of
> which will convert a bunch of fence sitters into proponents of  
> keeping it.
>
> The list membership needs Owens "just kill it" proposal precisely  
> to have something to
> vote down.  A no vote commits the person voting no, to supporting  
> the policy.
>
> If Owens proposal is voted down, that will destroy all of the "it's  
> not the RIR's responsibility
> to enforce sanctions against bad nameserver operators" arguments,  
> and we can move the discussion
> to something productive of how to actually fix the problem.
>
> Your proposal might be premature - you might find it better to  
> campaign against Owens
> proposal first.
>
> Ted
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net]On Behalf  
> Of John Von Essen
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:55 PM
> To: Public Policy Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [ppml] Policy Proposal -- Eliminate Lame Server policy
>
> I do plan to submit my proposal. My final comment on all of this is  
> with regards to ARIN's stance on operational issues.
>
> I agree ARIN should be careful, but keep in mind ARIN does provide  
> an operational function of reverse DNS authority delegation.  
> Because ARIN engages in this very-real activity, policy must exist  
> to cover its implementation, design, and overall operational health.
>
> If ARIN just did AS numbers and IP allocation, and another  
> organization did reverse delegation, say Network Solutions, then  
> YES - ARIN should not get involved with operational issues of  
> reverse DNS. But that fact is ARIN does do reverse DNS delegation.  
> When I do a dig on an IP, I see alot of ARIN servers in the output!
>
> -John
>
> On Sep 11, 2007, at 7:21 PM, Azinger, Marla wrote:
>
>> I would like to see a proposal that is along the lines of  
>> clarifying in addition to Owens proposal to just take it away.  
>> Hopefully we havnt scared John off and he will give a wack at it.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Marla
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net]On  
>> Behalf Of
>> William Herrin
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:32 PM
>> To: Owen DeLong
>> Cc: Public Policy Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [ppml] Policy Proposal -- Eliminate Lame Server policy
>>
>>
>> On 9/11/07, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>> 1. Policy Proposal Name: Deprecate Lame Server Policy
>>> 7. Policy statement:
>>> Delete section 7 from the NRPM
>>
>> Owen,
>>
>> Are you sure this is the right way to move on this? If we're going to
>> call ISPs "Local Internet Registries," shouldn't we expect them to
>> behave as internet registries and do the things that internet
>> registries do, including reallocation and assignment of the RDNS
>> attached to every IP address?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bill Herrin
>>
>> --
>> William D. Herrin herrin at dirtside.com bill at herrin.us
>> 3005 Crane Dr. Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/>
>> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
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