[ppml] Policy Proposal -- Eliminate Lame Server policy

Ted Mittelstaedt tedm at ipinc.net
Tue Sep 11 20:26:18 EDT 2007


Yes John you are correct but the way things often work on this list is
someone like Owen will
submit a policy to remove something that shouldn't obviously be removed, the
result of
which will convert a bunch of fence sitters into proponents of keeping it.

The list membership needs Owens "just kill it" proposal precisely to have
something to
vote down.  A no vote commits the person voting no, to supporting the
policy.

If Owens proposal is voted down, that will destroy all of the "it's not the
RIR's responsibility
to enforce sanctions against bad nameserver operators" arguments, and we can
move the discussion
to something productive of how to actually fix the problem.

Your proposal might be premature - you might find it better to campaign
against Owens
proposal first.

Ted
  -----Original Message-----
  From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net]On Behalf Of
John Von Essen
  Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:55 PM
  To: Public Policy Mailing List
  Subject: Re: [ppml] Policy Proposal -- Eliminate Lame Server policy


  I do plan to submit my proposal. My final comment on all of this is with
regards to ARIN's stance on operational issues.


  I agree ARIN should be careful, but keep in mind ARIN does provide an
operational function of reverse DNS authority delegation. Because ARIN
engages in this very-real activity, policy must exist to cover its
implementation, design, and overall operational health.


  If ARIN just did AS numbers and IP allocation, and another organization
did reverse delegation, say Network Solutions, then YES - ARIN should not
get involved with operational issues of reverse DNS. But that fact is ARIN
does do reverse DNS delegation. When I do a dig on an IP, I see alot of ARIN
servers in the output!


  -John


  On Sep 11, 2007, at 7:21 PM, Azinger, Marla wrote:


    I would like to see a proposal that is along the lines of clarifying in
addition to Owens proposal to just take it away. Hopefully we havnt scared
John off and he will give a wack at it.


    Cheers!
    Marla


    -----Original Message-----
    From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net]On Behalf Of
    William Herrin
    Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:32 PM
    To: Owen DeLong
    Cc: Public Policy Mailing List
    Subject: Re: [ppml] Policy Proposal -- Eliminate Lame Server policy




    On 9/11/07, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
      1. Policy Proposal Name: Deprecate Lame Server Policy
      7. Policy statement:
      Delete section 7 from the NRPM


    Owen,


    Are you sure this is the right way to move on this? If we're going to
    call ISPs "Local Internet Registries," shouldn't we expect them to
    behave as internet registries and do the things that internet
    registries do, including reallocation and assignment of the RDNS
    attached to every IP address?


    Regards,
    Bill Herrin


    --
    William D. Herrin herrin at dirtside.com bill at herrin.us
    3005 Crane Dr. Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/>
    Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
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