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<DIV><SPAN class=310071800-12092007><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yes John you are
correct but the way things often work on this list is someone like Owen
will</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=310071800-12092007><FONT face=Arial size=2>submit a policy to
remove something that shouldn't obviously be removed, the result
of</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=310071800-12092007><FONT face=Arial size=2>which will convert a
bunch of fence sitters into proponents of keeping it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=310071800-12092007><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=310071800-12092007><FONT face=Arial size=2>The list membership
needs Owens "just kill it" proposal precisely to have something
to</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=310071800-12092007><FONT face=Arial size=2>vote down. A
no vote commits the person voting no,
to supporting </FONT></SPAN><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=310071800-12092007>the policy.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=310071800-12092007></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN class=310071800-12092007>If Owens
proposal is voted down, that will destroy all of the "it's not the RIR's
responsibility</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN class=310071800-12092007>to enforce
sanctions against bad nameserver operators" arguments, and we can move the
discussion</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN class=310071800-12092007>to something
productive of how to actually fix the problem.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=310071800-12092007></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN class=310071800-12092007>Your proposal
might be premature - you might find it better to campaign against
Owens</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN class=310071800-12092007>proposal
first.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=310071800-12092007><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=310071800-12092007><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Ted</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> ppml-bounces@arin.net
[mailto:ppml-bounces@arin.net]<B>On Behalf Of </B>John Von
Essen<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:55 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Public
Policy Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ppml] Policy Proposal -- Eliminate
Lame Server policy<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>I do plan to submit my proposal. My
final comment on all of this is with regards to ARIN's stance on operational
issues.
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<DIV>I agree ARIN should be careful, but keep in mind ARIN does provide an
operational function of reverse DNS authority delegation. Because ARIN engages
in this very-real activity, policy must exist to cover its implementation,
design, and overall operational health.</DIV>
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<DIV>If ARIN just did AS numbers and IP allocation, and another organization
did reverse delegation, say Network Solutions, then YES - ARIN should not get
involved with operational issues of reverse DNS. But that fact is ARIN does do
reverse DNS delegation. When I do a dig on an IP, I see alot of ARIN servers
in the output!</DIV>
<DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
<DIV>-John</DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Sep 11, 2007, at 7:21 PM, Azinger, Marla wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">I would like to see a proposal that is along the
lines of clarifying in addition to Owens proposal to just take it away.<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Hopefully we havnt scared John off and
he will give a wack at it.</DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Cheers!</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Marla</DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">-----Original Message-----</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">From: ppml-bounces@arin.net [<A
href="mailto:ppml-bounces@arin.net">mailto:ppml-bounces@arin.net</A>]On
Behalf Of</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">William Herrin</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:32 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">To: Owen DeLong</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Cc: Public Policy Mailing List</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Subject: Re: [ppml] Policy Proposal -- Eliminate
Lame Server policy</DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">On 9/11/07, Owen DeLong <<A
href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</A>> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">1.<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space>
</SPAN>Policy Proposal Name: Deprecate Lame Server Policy</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">7.<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space>
</SPAN>Policy statement:</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space></SPAN>Delete
section 7 from the NRPM</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Owen,</DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Are you sure this is the right way to move on this?
If we're going to</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">call ISPs "Local Internet Registries," shouldn't we
expect them to</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">behave as internet registries and do the things
that internet</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">registries do, including reallocation and
assignment of the RDNS</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">attached to every IP address?</DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Regards,</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Bill Herrin</DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">--<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">William D. Herrin<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space>
</SPAN><A href="mailto:herrin@dirtside.com">herrin@dirtside.com</A><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>bill@herrin.us</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">3005 Crane Dr.<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space>
</SPAN>Web: <<A
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<DIV>Thanks, </DIV>
<DIV>John Von Essen</DIV>
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