[ARIN-consult] Consultation on Transfer Fees Now Open

Wed Sep 7 12:01:40 EDT 2016

One way to think about this is it is the cost to research the block and ensure that the resource

holder is the party that claims to hold the block.  Could ARIN offer a service that would 

certify that the claim resource holder is making is certified via ARIN (to the same extent

as if an RSA was signed) but without signing an RSA?

___Jason  

Hi Jason,

ARIN already offers this through STLS validation of sellers.

Although ARIN requires STLS sellers who are listed on the STLS to be under RSA, you can get vetted and choose not to be listed.

So you can become vetted as a seller for $100.

This is my reading of https://www.arin.net/resources/transfer_listing/#step1 anyway.

We have done this for sellers, but I don’t remember for sure if they were under RSA.

Regards,
Mike

From: arin-consult-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-consult-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Jason Schiller
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To: Hannigan, Martin <marty at akamai.com>
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Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Transfer Fees Now Open

I am not sure where I stand on this fee in general... 

If there is a fee, I do not oppose have a reduced fee for "small" 

organizations in order to avoid a processing fee that is a large 

portion of the transaction.  

I do however oppose a percentage based fee, which may make it more 

difficult to calculate and plan for budgets.

I propose you choose a reasonable price for small transaction 

(what is reasonable and what is small is debatable but lets say /23 is small)

Then bump up the flat fee for all other transactions to cover what is lost

from a reduction on the small transfers.

For reference, what is the cost to take an existing legacy resource and bring it under RSA?

One way to think about this is it is the cost to research the block and ensure that the resource

holder is the party that claims to hold the block.  Could ARIN offer a service that would 

certify that the claim resource holder is making is certified via ARIN (to the same extent

as if an RSA was signed) but without signing an RSA?

___Jason  

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Hannigan, Martin <marty at akamai.com <mailto:marty at akamai.com> > wrote:

On Sep 7, 2016, at 6:41 AM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net <mailto:jcurran at arin.net> > wrote:

On Sep 6, 2016, at 5:38 PM, Hannigan, Martin <marty at akamai.com <mailto:marty at akamai.com> > wrote:

On Sep 6, 2016, at 17:24, Mike Burns < <mailto:mike at iptrading.com> mike at iptrading.com> wrote:

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If folks want variable fees for different sizes, that can be done; 

I would only caution that use of the term “fair’ for describing 

such an sized-index fee schedule is quite a subjective matter.

I’m not suggesting variable fees, I’m suggesting a fixed percentage as a way to more equitably distribute fees along with the two sided application to reduce the impact for both parties. In retrospect, that may be neutral in terms of aggregation, but if it’s applied to each transaction, that may be incentive as well.

Shouldn't "everyone" be able to "reasonably" ascertain chain of custody pre charge? Brokers could charge research fees and alleviate the members from wasted time. 

Most brokers do research these materials, and that speeds up the processing

(since documentation is readily available when ARIN requests such) but that

does not preclude ARIN having to carefully review these materials to confirm

veracity and prevent anyone from hijacking blocks via creative requests…

True. That’s a risk I think is fair to assign to the brokers. It's a fair trade for the financial gain, to let them be the first line of defense in terms of fraud. 

Best,

-M<

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