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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>One way to think about this is it is the cost to research the block and ensure that the resource<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>holder is the party that claims to hold the block. Could ARIN offer a service that would <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>certify that the claim resource holder is making is certified via ARIN (to the same extent<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>as if an RSA was signed) but without signing an RSA?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>___Jason <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Hi Jason,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>ARIN already offers this through STLS validation of sellers.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Although ARIN requires STLS sellers who are listed on the STLS to be under RSA, you can get vetted and choose not to be listed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>So you can become vetted as a seller for $100.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>This is my reading of <a href="https://www.arin.net/resources/transfer_listing/#step1">https://www.arin.net/resources/transfer_listing/#step1</a> anyway.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>We have done this for sellers, but I don’t remember for sure if they were under RSA.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Regards,<br>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> arin-consult-bounces@arin.net [mailto:arin-consult-bounces@arin.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jason Schiller<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 07, 2016 11:44 AM<br><b>To:</b> Hannigan, Martin <marty@akamai.com><br><b>Cc:</b> arin-consult@arin.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Transfer Fees Now Open<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am not sure where I stand on this fee in general... <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>If there is a fee, I do not oppose have a reduced fee for "small" <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>organizations in order to avoid a processing fee that is a large <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>portion of the transaction. <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I do however oppose a percentage based fee, which may make it more <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>difficult to calculate and plan for budgets.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I propose you choose a reasonable price for small transaction <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>(what is reasonable and what is small is debatable but lets say /23 is small)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Then bump up the flat fee for all other transactions to cover what is lost<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>from a reduction on the small transfers.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>For reference, what is the cost to take an existing legacy resource and bring it under RSA?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>One way to think about this is it is the cost to research the block and ensure that the resource<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>holder is the party that claims to hold the block. Could ARIN offer a service that would <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>certify that the claim resource holder is making is certified via ARIN (to the same extent<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>as if an RSA was signed) but without signing an RSA?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>___Jason <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Hannigan, Martin <<a href="mailto:marty@akamai.com" target="_blank">marty@akamai.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sep 7, 2016, at 6:41 AM, John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" target="_blank">jcurran@arin.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sep 6, 2016, at 5:38 PM, Hannigan, Martin <<a href="mailto:marty@akamai.com" target="_blank">marty@akamai.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>On Sep 6, 2016, at 17:24, Mike Burns <<a href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>mike@iptrading.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>[ clip ]<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If folks want variable fees for different sizes, that can be done; <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I would only caution that use of the term “fair’ for describing <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>such an sized-index fee schedule is quite a subjective matter.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>I’m not suggesting variable fees, I’m suggesting a fixed percentage as a way to more equitably distribute fees along with the two sided application to reduce the impact for both parties. In retrospect, that may be neutral in terms of aggregation, but if it’s applied to each transaction, that may be incentive as well.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Shouldn't "everyone" be able to "reasonably" ascertain chain of custody pre charge? Brokers could charge research fees and alleviate the members from wasted time. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Most brokers do research these materials, and that speeds up the processing<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>(since documentation is readily available when ARIN requests such) but that<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>does not preclude ARIN having to carefully review these materials to confirm<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>veracity and prevent anyone from hijacking blocks via creative requests…<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>True. That’s a risk I think is fair to assign to the brokers. It's a fair trade for the financial gain, to let them be the first line of defense in terms of fraud. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Best,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-M<<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br>ARIN-Consult<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Consult Mailing<br>List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-consult@arin.net">ARIN-consult@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult" target="_blank">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult</a> Please contact the ARIN Member Services<br>Help Desk at <a href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a> if you experience any issues.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:#555555'>_______________________________________________________</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Jason Schiller|NetOps|<a href="mailto:jschiller@google.com" target="_blank">jschiller@google.com</a>|571-266-0006</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>