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[Jeff Williams]

Jim and all,

Jim Fleming wrote:
> 
> On Thursday, June 26, 1997 9:23 AM, Jeff Williams[SMTP:jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com] wrote:
> @ J.D. Falk,
> @
> @ J.D. Falk wrote:
> @ >
> @ > On Jun 26, Jim Fleming <JimFleming at unety.net> wrote:
> @ >
> @ > > How about 10 more ARINs in the U.S. ?
> @ > >
> @ > > How about an ARIN for Canada ?
> @ >
> @ >         I'd like my own ARIN, please.  Jim should have his own, too.
> @ >
> @ >         Actually, as long as Jim has his own, the rest of us will
> @ >         probably do okay with the /real/ one.
> @
> @   Seems like alot was edited or deleted out of Jims commets.  hummmmm?
> @ In any event, I hope this is a joke posting?  Comment J.D.?  If not,
> @ seems WAY out of context at the very least.
> @ >
> @ > > Jim Fleming
> @ > > Unir Corporation
> @ >
> @ >  ---------========== J.D. Falk <jdfalk at cybernothing.org> =========---------
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> @ >   | Try http://www.cybernothing.org/cno/sysadmin.html            REBOOT! |
> @ >   | Or ftp.cybernothing.org /pub/cno/sysadmin.txt                    OK! |
> @ >  ----========== http://www.cybernothing.org/jdfalk/home.html ==========----
> @
> @ Regards,
> @ --
> @ Jeffrey A. Williams
> @ DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java Development Eng.
> @ Information Eng. Group. IEG. INC.
> @ Phone :913-294-2375 (v-office)
> @ E-Mail jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com
> @
> @
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> You have to put all of this in a package to understand
> what is going on.

  Ok.
> 
> J.D. Falk is now[1] with Priori Networks. They are a
> new ISP. Priori is like most new ISPs, they need IP
> addresses to be able to offer their customers something
> more than connections and IP addresses from their "upstream
> provider". They understand very well how much it costs
> to renumber. I am sure their potential customers also do.

  Hummmm?  I was not aware of J.D. Falks involvment with 
Priori networks.  No was he very forthcomming with that info
and his potential intrest here.  This could be viewed
as a possible conflict of intrest in respect to the
discussion here.  
> 
> Michael Dillon[2] is also with Priori. Michael was one of
> the supporters of the IAHC and one of the people that
> helped to convince everyone how bad monopolies are
> and that registries should be "shared". I guess he is not
> concerned that ARIN appears to want to have a monopoly
> on North America.

  I do remember Michaels strong possition in favor of
the IAHC perposal, which is withering away nearly as
we speek here.  Not only is the ARIN getting a monopoly
in North america, but South america and canada as well
If I am not mistakin?  But I am not sure that this
is necessarly a bad thing short term.  I do believe 
that within the Trade zones is where currently this
managment of IP addresses should fall, but as the
need increases for IP numbers, this may not hold.

  Michael Dillons sudden change of hart however is
a curious matter.  But understood in this context that
you discribe here.  Michael, any comments?
> 
> Michael Dillon is also one of the people that spent an
> enormous amount of time telling new ISPs that they
> should NOT expect IP address allocations from the
> InterNIC and should "go to their upstream provider".

  Hummmm?  Yes, I do remember.
> 
> Michael Dillon was also one of the people that
> helped develop the material on the ARIN web site.
> See....http://www.arin.net/arin_faq.html

  I was not aware of this!  Very intresting!
> 
> NOW...things have changed...Michael, J.D. and Justin
> Newton have a new company and THEY need IP
> addresses. As you can see below, Michael can't
> wait until he can pay to get his ARIN membership.

  I see where there is a potential conflict of intrest
from these fellows here as to their real motives, possibly.
> 
> In theory, the formation of ARIN should not change the
> rules about how ISPs obtain IP addresses. Justin
> Newton has recently suggested that the rules be
> rewritten. Justin used to be with Erols and they were
> located in the Virginia area and had an ample supply
> of IP addresses. Now Justin finds himself in a new
> company without IP addresses.

  Ahhhh!  I see.  Well to tell the truth, I am about
to find myself in the very same possition with a new 
regional ISP we are putting together.  Maybe is should
look at IPv8, huh?  Your thoughts on that Jim? Privately
if you prefer?

  But again it is intresting that Justin would make the
comments that he does in this light.  VERY intresting!
> 
> This situation will be interesting to watch. I have
> argued that companies should be given a "short-form"
> application to obtain a /18 allocation with the
> understanding that they can not fragment it. With
> this approach, blocks are kept together and if a new
> company goes under a large block is reclaimed.

  Yes, I do remember you mentioning this befor.  I 
agree.
> 
> At the present time there does not seem to be much
> effort to reclaim blocks. For example, an ISP in the
> Chicago area with a /16 (old Class B) recently went
> under, their block will probably be lost in the shuffle.
> This is a waste of resources and it is a shame that
> companies have to spend all of their time and energy
> jumping through hoops to obtain IP addresses when
> blocks are wasting away...

  Yep.
> 
> Hopefully, Michael, J.D. and Justin will now change
> all of this...they have a reason to...their business
> depends on these changes...

  I see more clearly now!  Thanks!
> 
> ====== References =======
> 
> [1] @@@@@ http://www.cybernothing.org/jdfalk/home.html
> 
> "currently my time is split between working
> nights at Erol's Internet, preparing for my move to San Jose,
> California to work for Priori Networks, Inc.,"
> 
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> 
> >From NANOG
> 
> ***********************************************************************
> J.D. Falk                                        voice: +1-415-482-2840
> Supervisor, Network Operations                     fax: +1-415-482-2844
> PRIORI NETWORKS, INC.                             http://www.priori.net
>            "The People You Know.  The People You Trust."
> ***********************************************************************
> 
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> 
> ----------
> From:   Michael Dillon[SMTP:michael at priori.net]
> Sent:   Wednesday, June 25, 1997 6:05 AM
> To:     ARIN go bragh!
> Subject:        Where do we send our membership check? (was: ARIN LIVES!!!)
> 
> On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Gordon Cook wrote:
> 
> > June 24: The National Science Foundation has just announced the formation
> > of ARIN, (The American Registry for Internet Numbers). NSF has approved a
> > Network Solutions plan to set up the independent IP registry. All
> > necessary documents are signed and in place. Steps to establish ARIN begin
> > immediately.
> 
> When can we join ARIN and where do we send our check for the membership
> fee?
> 
> *********************************************************
> Michael Dillon                    voice: +1-415-482-2840
> Senior Systems Architect            fax: +1-415-482-2844
> PRIORI NETWORKS, INC.              http://www.priori.net
> 
> "The People You Know.  The People You Trust."
> *********************************************************
> 
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> 
> --
> Jim Fleming
> Unir Corporation

Regards,
-- 
Jeffrey A. Williams
DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java Development Eng.
Information Eng. Group. IEG. INC. 
Phone :913-294-2375 (v-office)
E-Mail jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com