The latest

[Jim Fleming]

On Thursday, June 26, 1997 9:23 AM, Jeff Williams[SMTP:jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com] wrote:
@ J.D. Falk,
@ 
@ J.D. Falk wrote:
@ > 
@ > On Jun 26, Jim Fleming <JimFleming at unety.net> wrote:
@ > 
@ > > How about 10 more ARINs in the U.S. ?
@ > >
@ > > How about an ARIN for Canada ?
@ > 
@ >         I'd like my own ARIN, please.  Jim should have his own, too.
@ > 
@ >         Actually, as long as Jim has his own, the rest of us will
@ >         probably do okay with the /real/ one.
@ 
@   Seems like alot was edited or deleted out of Jims commets.  hummmmm?
@ In any event, I hope this is a joke posting?  Comment J.D.?  If not,
@ seems WAY out of context at the very least.
@ > 
@ > > Jim Fleming
@ > > Unir Corporation
@ > 
@ >  ---------========== J.D. Falk <jdfalk at cybernothing.org> =========---------
@ >   | Can't find your sysadmin?                                    REBOOT! |
@ >   | Try http://www.cybernothing.org/cno/sysadmin.html            REBOOT! |
@ >   | Or ftp.cybernothing.org /pub/cno/sysadmin.txt                    OK! |
@ >  ----========== http://www.cybernothing.org/jdfalk/home.html ==========----
@ 
@ Regards,
@ -- 
@ Jeffrey A. Williams
@ DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java Development Eng.
@ Information Eng. Group. IEG. INC. 
@ Phone :913-294-2375 (v-office)
@ E-Mail jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com
@ 
@ 

Jeff,

You have to put all of this in a package to understand
what is going on.

J.D. Falk is now[1] with Priori Networks. They are a
new ISP. Priori is like most new ISPs, they need IP
addresses to be able to offer their customers something
more than connections and IP addresses from their "upstream
provider". They understand very well how much it costs
to renumber. I am sure their potential customers also do.

Michael Dillon[2] is also with Priori. Michael was one of
the supporters of the IAHC and one of the people that
helped to convince everyone how bad monopolies are
and that registries should be "shared". I guess he is not
concerned that ARIN appears to want to have a monopoly
on North America.

Michael Dillon is also one of the people that spent an
enormous amount of time telling new ISPs that they
should NOT expect IP address allocations from the
InterNIC and should "go to their upstream provider".

Michael Dillon was also one of the people that
helped develop the material on the ARIN web site.
See....http://www.arin.net/arin_faq.html

NOW...things have changed...Michael, J.D. and Justin
Newton have a new company and THEY need IP
addresses. As you can see below, Michael can't
wait until he can pay to get his ARIN membership.

In theory, the formation of ARIN should not change the
rules about how ISPs obtain IP addresses. Justin
Newton has recently suggested that the rules be
rewritten. Justin used to be with Erols and they were
located in the Virginia area and had an ample supply
of IP addresses. Now Justin finds himself in a new
company without IP addresses.

This situation will be interesting to watch. I have
argued that companies should be given a "short-form"
application to obtain a /18 allocation with the
understanding that they can not fragment it. With
this approach, blocks are kept together and if a new
company goes under a large block is reclaimed.

At the present time there does not seem to be much
effort to reclaim blocks. For example, an ISP in the
Chicago area with a /16 (old Class B) recently went
under, their block will probably be lost in the shuffle.
This is a waste of resources and it is a shame that
companies have to spend all of their time and energy
jumping through hoops to obtain IP addresses when
blocks are wasting away...

Hopefully, Michael, J.D. and Justin will now change
all of this...they have a reason to...their business
depends on these changes...


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[1] @@@@@ http://www.cybernothing.org/jdfalk/home.html

"currently my time is split between working
nights at Erol's Internet, preparing for my move to San Jose,
California to work for Priori Networks, Inc.,"

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>From NANOG

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J.D. Falk                                        voice: +1-415-482-2840 	
Supervisor, Network Operations                     fax: +1-415-482-2844
PRIORI NETWORKS, INC.                             http://www.priori.net
           "The People You Know.  The People You Trust."
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From: 	Michael Dillon[SMTP:michael at priori.net]
Sent: 	Wednesday, June 25, 1997 6:05 AM
To: 	ARIN go bragh!
Subject: 	Where do we send our membership check? (was: ARIN LIVES!!!)


On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Gordon Cook wrote:

> June 24: The National Science Foundation has just announced the formation
> of ARIN, (The American Registry for Internet Numbers). NSF has approved a
> Network Solutions plan to set up the independent IP registry. All
> necessary documents are signed and in place. Steps to establish ARIN begin
> immediately. 

When can we join ARIN and where do we send our check for the membership
fee?

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Michael Dillon                    voice: +1-415-482-2840
Senior Systems Architect            fax: +1-415-482-2844
PRIORI NETWORKS, INC.              http://www.priori.net

"The People You Know.  The People You Trust."
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Jim Fleming
Unir Corporation