Let us all bend over, apply the Vaseline...

[Gordon Cook]

Paul is to kind with his words.  Bob, the only other choice is to leave IP
numbers with in the control of NSI and the SAIC stockholders.  Wanna see
some monopoly prices then!!!!???  Instead ARIN will be independent and
owned by its members....isp ISP members and responsible to them.  you can
afford 2500 bucks a yer for a class 19????   then don't join and get it
from your upstream with out the charge.  But hell *I* could damned near
afford 2500 A year for something as important as this.  Management
operating on behalf of stockholders will be much more prepared to stick
itto you than arin.

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On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, Bob Atkins wrote:

> 
> I can't believe what I've read....
> 
> $3M/year to maintain an IP address registery???
> 
> $2500/year for a /19 block of IP space ???
> 
> Please, please, tell me where you all get your drugs... I want some!!
> 
> This is an incredble example of monopolistic management. How could
> this come to pass? And why are we letting it happen? Probably because
> *we* have no choice!
> 
> All I can say is that most of what I have read regarding routability
> issues and the 'overhead' that would be required to ensure routability
> of ARIN assigned address space is at best a joke and at worst a
> complete farce that is the result of utter denial.
> 
> What we are talking about is maintenance of a simple database. And
> the maintenance as it turns out will be performed predominately by
> the ISPs themselves. The registry doesn't even have to operate any
> significant number of systems but even for argument's sake suppose
> they need to run say 10 servers, a T1 to the 'net. Facilities, a staff
> of 5-8 etc. At *most* the annual budget would be $500,000 and that
> would be allowing for some pretty generous salaries.
> 
> No doubt with ARIN's $3M budget there will be some very well
> compensated individuals. Non-profit doesn't mean that individuals
> working for the organiztion have to make reasonable salaries.
> 
> I would be glad to bid on providing the services that ARIN will and we
> would provide them for a *fraction* of what is being proposed. We will
> be efficient and properly staffed with the necessary expertise. But of
> course the IP registery didn't come up for public bid, did it?
> 
> Please advise if a class action lawsuit has been filed against this
> obvious monopoly, we would be glad to join and to contribute to
> whatever effort would ensure that such a monopoly could not come into
> being and that the opportunity to bid on providing such a service would
> be established.  Network Solutions already has the monopoly on control
> of the top level domain registeries, we should not permit this to
> happen for the IP registery. Should such a lawsuit be filed it may also
> be worthwhile to challenge the Network Solutions domain registery
> monopoly in the process.
> 
> I also doubt that any of the discussion that occurs in this list or
> in any other forum will change the direction that is being taken.
> Clearly if a lawsuit hasn't been filed to block ARIN then one should.
> Unfortunately, I'm fairly sure that decisions will be made by certain
> individuals or organizations and that the only way to modify their
> action is by legal intervention. Anything else is just noise....
> 
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