[arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2025-1: Clarify ISP and LIR Definitions and References to Address Ambiguity in NRPM Text

[Owen DeLong]

LIR in the ARIN region has and is still proposed to have the same meaning as it does in other regions. Other regions actually don’t refer to country registries (e.g. CNNIC, JPNIC, …) as LITs, but as NIRs (National internet registries), but I would argue they are basically a subset of LIR. 

However, everywhere the term LIR is used it does mean the same thing as proposed here even if it includes classes of LIRs that don’t exist in this region. 

Owen


> On Sep 17, 2025, at 15:36, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 1:13 PM David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:
>> I think you are referring to National Internet Registries (NIRs),
>> which are not called Local Internet Registries (LIRs) and are
>> not confused with LIRs.
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Either way the point remains: sub-registries in the other regions are
> not inherently expected to be the operators of the infrastructure
> services with which those IP addresses are used. ARIN has some gray
> area on the subject, but the rule to which exceptions apply is that
> your IP addresses are either coming from your network provider or
> directly from ARIN, not a different party altogether. ARIN is not a
> LIR and the "registry" terminology for your network provider is a poor
> fit. If anyone hates the "ISP" terminology, I respectfully ask them to
> suggest a better phrase, not a worse one.
> 
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
> 
> 
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