[arin-ppml] AS Number Management Study by TU Delft

[Dominik Dobrowolski]

Let me ask one more question,

You intend to use the questionnaire for a research work right?

What do you want to prove by it?

Because it is clear by your RIPE 88 speech, as by your tone here that you
have a bias. Cherry picking the evidence you need is not a research work.

Kind Regards,


On Wed, Jul 24, 2024, 6:21 PM Nachiket Kondhalkar via ARIN-PPML <
arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:

> Thanks for your contribution.
>
> The primary motivation for this change was that both RIPE and APNIC
> noticed a large number of assigned ASNs that were not being advertised in
> the Global routing tables. Approximately 21% of all ASNs are functionally
> not participating in global routing.
>
> By implementing an ASN fee, they hope to have these unused numbers
> returned to the RIR in order to prevent wastage in the long term.
>
> Each have taken separate paths to execute this. RIPE has a flat €50 fee
> per ASN. While APNIC has gone for the first ASN to be free, but every
> subsequent one being charged AUD600. While APNIC policies might not impact
> hobby network growth in the future, RIPE policies might.
>
> When ARIN implemented these fees, they were justified as being a more
> financial issue to stay afloat.
>
> Definitely appreciate your perspective though.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dale W. Carder <dwcarder at es.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2024 6:19 PM
> To: Nachiket Kondhalkar <N.B.Kondhalkar at student.tudelft.nl>
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] AS Number Management Study by TU Delft
>
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> Thus spake Nachiket Kondhalkar via ARIN-PPML (arin-ppml at arin.net) on Wed,
> Jul 24, 2024 at 03:41:09PM +0000:
> > Hello ARIN Policy community,
> >
> > APNIC and RIPE NCC have introduced an annual ASN maintenance fee from
> January 2025. As part of a research group currently studying AS Number
> management at TU Delft, we would like to understand the perspectives of
> network administrators in reference to this change. Your experience and
> expertise will help us understand and present the consensus of the
> community through our research.
> >
> > For more information about the study:
> > https://blog/
> > .apnic.net%2F2024%2F07%2F16%2Fa-comprehensive-review-of-rir-policies-i
> > n-the-domain-of-asn-management%2F&data=05%7C02%7CN.B.Kondhalkar%40stud
> > ent.tudelft.nl%7C9bca8712ff96494667b008dcabfc52e5%7C096e524d692940308c
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> > JWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7
> > C%7C%7C&sdata=vPZRPXCPOUzVzRkk4Y9PW%2Bt0G1rdTPV5N2oZKIJ8wh4%3D&reserve
> > d=0
>
> For some of your questions in the survey around the perception of scaling
> concerns, as I hope you are aware, there has been a large body of work
> previously in this space.  Probably the easiest thing to point to would be
> the old IRTF RRG: https://wiki.ietf.org/group/rrg
>
> Dale
>
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