<div dir="auto">Let me ask one more question,<div dir="auto"><br><div dir="auto">You intend to use the questionnaire for a research work right?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What do you want to prove by it?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Because it is clear by your RIPE 88 speech, as by your tone here that you have a bias. Cherry picking the evidence you need is not a research work.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Kind Regards,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 24, 2024, 6:21 PM Nachiket Kondhalkar via ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thanks for your contribution.<br>
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The primary motivation for this change was that both RIPE and APNIC noticed a large number of assigned ASNs that were not being advertised in the Global routing tables. Approximately 21% of all ASNs are functionally not participating in global routing.<br>
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By implementing an ASN fee, they hope to have these unused numbers returned to the RIR in order to prevent wastage in the long term.<br>
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Each have taken separate paths to execute this. RIPE has a flat €50 fee per ASN. While APNIC has gone for the first ASN to be free, but every subsequent one being charged AUD600. While APNIC policies might not impact hobby network growth in the future, RIPE policies might.<br>
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When ARIN implemented these fees, they were justified as being a more financial issue to stay afloat.<br>
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Definitely appreciate your perspective though.<br>
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Thus spake Nachiket Kondhalkar via ARIN-PPML (<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>) on Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 03:41:09PM +0000:<br>
> Hello ARIN Policy community,<br>
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> APNIC and RIPE NCC have introduced an annual ASN maintenance fee from January 2025. As part of a research group currently studying AS Number management at TU Delft, we would like to understand the perspectives of network administrators in reference to this change. Your experience and expertise will help us understand and present the consensus of the community through our research.<br>
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> For more information about the study:<br>
> <a href="https://blog/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog/</a><br>
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For some of your questions in the survey around the perception of scaling concerns, as I hope you are aware, there has been a large body of work previously in this space. Probably the easiest thing to point to would be the old IRTF RRG: <a href="https://wiki.ietf.org/group/rrg" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.ietf.org/group/rrg</a><br>
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Dale<br>
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