[arin-ppml] AS Number Management Study by TU Delft

[Tyler O'Meara]

Every (non-legacy) ARIN ASN involves paying at least $250/year, so the concern
about abandoned organizations seems misplaced. The large number of 16bit ASNs
ARIN gets returned every year seems to support this as well (80% of ASNs ARIN
issued in 2023 were 16 bit).

Also, as with IP addresses, just because an ASN is not part of the DFZ does not
mean it isn't being used.

Finally, worrying about "wastage" of ASNs is a waste of time, especially with
respect to RIR policies. If you wish to conserve ASNs, complaining about RFC
6996's reservation of 94 million ASNs seems far more productive than worrying
about a small subset of the 110k issued ASNs (note: I'm not recommending this
either).

Tyler O'Meara
AS53727

On Wed, 2024-07-24 at 16:20 +0000, Nachiket Kondhalkar via ARIN-PPML wrote:
> Thanks for your contribution.
> 
> The primary motivation for this change was that both RIPE and APNIC noticed a
> large number of assigned ASNs that were not being advertised in the Global
> routing tables. Approximately 21% of all ASNs are functionally not
> participating in global routing.
> 
> By implementing an ASN fee, they hope to have these unused numbers returned to
> the RIR in order to prevent wastage in the long term.
> 
> Each have taken separate paths to execute this. RIPE has a flat €50 fee per
> ASN. While APNIC has gone for the first ASN to be free, but every subsequent
> one being charged AUD600. While APNIC policies might not impact hobby network
> growth in the future, RIPE policies might.
> 
> When ARIN implemented these fees, they were justified as being a more
> financial issue to stay afloat.
> 
> Definitely appreciate your perspective though.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dale W. Carder <dwcarder at es.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2024 6:19 PM
> To: Nachiket Kondhalkar <N.B.Kondhalkar at student.tudelft.nl>
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] AS Number Management Study by TU Delft
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> Thus spake Nachiket Kondhalkar via ARIN-PPML (arin-ppml at arin.net) on Wed, Jul
> 24, 2024 at 03:41:09PM +0000:
> > Hello ARIN Policy community,
> > 
> > APNIC and RIPE NCC have introduced an annual ASN maintenance fee from
> > January 2025. As part of a research group currently studying AS Number
> > management at TU Delft, we would like to understand the perspectives of
> > network administrators in reference to this change. Your experience and
> > expertise will help us understand and present the consensus of the community
> > through our research.
> > 
> > For more information about the study:
> > https://blog/
> > .apnic.net%2F2024%2F07%2F16%2Fa-comprehensive-review-of-rir-policies-i
> > n-the-domain-of-asn-management%2F&data=05%7C02%7CN.B.Kondhalkar%40stud
> > ent.tudelft.nl%7C9bca8712ff96494667b008dcabfc52e5%7C096e524d692940308c
> > d38ab42de0887b%7C0%7C0%7C638574347408421839%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8ey
> > JWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7
> > C%7C%7C&sdata=vPZRPXCPOUzVzRkk4Y9PW%2Bt0G1rdTPV5N2oZKIJ8wh4%3D&reserve
> > d=0
> 
> For some of your questions in the survey around the perception of scaling
> concerns, as I hope you are aware, there has been a large body of work
> previously in this space.  Probably the easiest thing to point to would be the
> old IRTF RRG: https://wiki.ietf.org/group/rrg
> 
> Dale
> 
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