[arin-ppml] [Fwd: JohnM]Re: Draft Policy ARIN-2024-1: Definition of Organization ID/Org ID

[Martin Hannigan]

And John, if you're reading this on vacation I hope wherever you are it's
warm, sunny and you have an umbrella drink in your hand!

Warm regards,

-M<



On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 4:28 PM John MacDonald <JohnM at okpud.org> wrote:

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> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 11:50 AM Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML <
> arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
>
>> I have resources registered under Owen DeLong and Family. This is not and
>> has never been a business. While I do provide some of those resources to
>> DeLong Consulting (which is a business), my resources are not registered to
>> a business.
>>
>> I see no basis in ARIN policy or the RSA to invalidate or reject such
>> delegations in the future.
>>
>> As written, this policy would create such a basis.
>>
>> As such, I oppose the policy as written.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>
>
> For some reason I always thought an individual could not receive
> resources. Interesting to know a sole proprietorship entity can.
>
> I agree, the current language is arguable and unclear re: sole
> proprietorship. If you look at the RSA and cross reference the RSA
> signature blocks on Page 9 I'd say they support the definition being
> unclear and arguable if you ever had to go to court. [IANAL]. Two unclear
> statements are always worse than one.
>
> Suggestion:
>
> "An Organizational Identifier (Org ID) is a record that represents a*
> [validated, bona-fide, registered, verifiable, pick one]* entity in the
> ARIN database. An entity must have an *Organization* Identifier (Org ID)
> to request Internet Number Resources."
>
> Pick an operator, but Organizational is an adjective and Organization is a
> noun. I'd venture a guess we'd prefer the noun. A sole proprietor can be an
> entity. If it said "legal entity" that could indicate it excludes sole
> proprietors.
>
> I don't have an opinion other than to ensure sole proprietorships aren't
> excluded as Owen suggests.
>
> HTH
>
> -M<
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