[arin-ppml] [E] Re: AFRINIC vote buying

Fri Jun 10 16:43:08 EDT 2022

Hi Stephen

Yeah I see and agree with what you mean about personal level discussions
which differs from Internet Governance and Policy Development topics.

Best regards
Fernando

On Fri, 10 Jun 2022, 15:49 Middleton, Stephen R, <
stephen.r.middleton at verizon.com> wrote:

> Hello Fernando,
>
> I agree, the topic of vote buying and similar is worthy of discussion as
> it could lead to or shape a policy discussion.  But is it worthy to discuss
> ARIN members on a personal level?  I think the topic got into the weeds
> fairly quickly.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
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> On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 2:27 PM Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Stephen
>>
>> Although I am not much involved in this discussion, although I commented
>> I have to say that I often see this type of questioning in the list and I
>> personally don't see the list exclusively to discuss policies, but anything
>> that may have to do with them and with this Policy Development Discussion
>> ecosystem we are all involved.
>>
>> People participating here take in consideration a lot of details to form
>> their opinion and discuss about the proposed policies and anything that may
>> have to do with an attack against a RIR, a tentative of manipulation of the
>> process being the PDP or election to the Board or any RIR that may also
>> happen in this one should be of the concern of everybody involved, so they
>> can have more information to form their opinion regarding the effects of
>> each proposal that is presented here and its possible effects.
>>
>> Finally and not less important, although we have Regional RIRs the
>> effects of trouble happening in other RIRs have the potential to affect how
>> things work for all others and by consequence the whole of Internet, so
>> another reason is good that people participating in the this list get this
>> related information to take in account when discussing any proposed
>> policies and also if that kind of trouble could also happen here.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Fernando
>> On 10/06/2022 15:08, Middleton, Stephen R via ARIN-PPML wrote:
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>>
>> Not meaning to be a wet blanket but which ARIN policy is this discussion
>> in relation to?  I seem to recall that the PPML List is to "provide a
>> forum to raise and discuss policy-related ideas and issues surrounding
>> existing and proposed ARIN policies."
>>
>> Perhaps the community would be better served if the current
>> conversation to a forum more focused on the topic being discussed?
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: Verizon] <http://www.verizon.com/>
>>
>>
>> Stephen R. Middleton, Sr.
>> Princ Engr-Ntwk Engring
>> Network Engineering and Ops
>>
>> 22001 Loudoun County Parkway; F1-2-277
>> Ashburn, VA 20147
>>
>> Office 703.694.6965
>> stephen.r.middleton at one.verizon.com
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: Facebook]
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>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 12:14 PM Omo Oaiya <kodion at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 at 16:29, Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML <
>>> arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 10, 2022, at 05:22 , Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 00:19 Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML, <
>>>> arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, there’s no secret that I am a consultant to Cloud Innovation and
>>>>> Larus, Ltd.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> True story.
>>>>
>>>> However, I have no involvement or affiliation with NRS and
>>>>> no desire to have same.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Internet archives never forget.
>>>>
>>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013810.html
>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.afrinic.net_pipermail_rpd_2021_013810.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=PNlZCOTcrBXvix6v31kntg680rC2tshHDXM0RcJv5bE&m=9sw9nyzLNUg6DZYGzlnK8WkqhJdEJxryDRavaNpfwNMSxaa79ZFZWW8vRTN-vlYl&s=5PsHZ_THYKyYMRd4pt-OSXUfkvjCuV2Pd1MZ9CSLcuI&e=>
>>>>
>>>> On that thread, your response was in full defence of NRS as you really
>>>> went on to explaib what they are all about as though you had insider
>>>> knowledge of the organization.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Noah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope… It was a statement against certain misinformation being
>>>> promulgated by you at the time.
>>>>
>>>> It was based on the publicly available record at the time and not any
>>>> internal knowledge or affiliation with NRS.
>>>>
>>>> I don’t agree with lots of things Larus is doing/has done, but I’m
>>>> supporting them in their law suits because I believe the board and staff
>>>> are just plain wrong in their effort to revoke their membership based on a
>>>> plain text reading of the provisions cited by the board and staff in their
>>>> various affidavits and correspondence.
>>>>
>>>> Facts are facts. When I see misinformation and/or disinformation, I
>>>> will tend to speak out against it, even when I don’t agree with or support
>>>> the party being attacked.
>>>>
>>>
>>> These would have to be alternative facts from your track record on the
>>> AFRINIC lists :-)
>>>
>>> Omo
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