[arin-ppml] [E] Re: AFRINIC vote buying

Fri Jun 10 14:49:36 EDT 2022

Hello Fernando,

I agree, the topic of vote buying and similar is worthy of discussion as it
could lead to or shape a policy discussion.  But is it worthy to discuss
ARIN members on a personal level?  I think the topic got into the weeds
fairly quickly.

Best Regards,

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Stephen R. Middleton, Sr.
Princ Engr-Ntwk Engring
Network Engineering and Ops

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Ashburn, VA 20147

Office 703.694.6965
stephen.r.middleton at one.verizon.com

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On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 2:27 PM Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello Stephen
>
> Although I am not much involved in this discussion, although I commented I
> have to say that I often see this type of questioning in the list and I
> personally don't see the list exclusively to discuss policies, but anything
> that may have to do with them and with this Policy Development Discussion
> ecosystem we are all involved.
>
> People participating here take in consideration a lot of details to form
> their opinion and discuss about the proposed policies and anything that may
> have to do with an attack against a RIR, a tentative of manipulation of the
> process being the PDP or election to the Board or any RIR that may also
> happen in this one should be of the concern of everybody involved, so they
> can have more information to form their opinion regarding the effects of
> each proposal that is presented here and its possible effects.
>
> Finally and not less important, although we have Regional RIRs the effects
> of trouble happening in other RIRs have the potential to affect how things
> work for all others and by consequence the whole of Internet, so another
> reason is good that people participating in the this list get this related
> information to take in account when discussing any proposed policies and
> also if that kind of trouble could also happen here.
>
> Best regards
> Fernando
> On 10/06/2022 15:08, Middleton, Stephen R via ARIN-PPML wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
>
> Not meaning to be a wet blanket but which ARIN policy is this discussion
> in relation to?  I seem to recall that the PPML List is to "provide a
> forum to raise and discuss policy-related ideas and issues surrounding
> existing and proposed ARIN policies."
>
> Perhaps the community would be better served if the current
> conversation to a forum more focused on the topic being discussed?
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> [image: Verizon] <http://www.verizon.com/>
>
>
> Stephen R. Middleton, Sr.
> Princ Engr-Ntwk Engring
> Network Engineering and Ops
>
> 22001 Loudoun County Parkway; F1-2-277
> Ashburn, VA 20147
>
> Office 703.694.6965
> stephen.r.middleton at one.verizon.com
>
>
>
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>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 12:14 PM Omo Oaiya <kodion at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 at 16:29, Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML <
>> arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 10, 2022, at 05:22 , Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 00:19 Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML, <arin-ppml at arin.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, there’s no secret that I am a consultant to Cloud Innovation and
>>>> Larus, Ltd.
>>>
>>>
>>> True story.
>>>
>>> However, I have no involvement or affiliation with NRS and
>>>> no desire to have same.
>>>
>>>
>>> Internet archives never forget.
>>>
>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013810.html
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.afrinic.net_pipermail_rpd_2021_013810.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=PNlZCOTcrBXvix6v31kntg680rC2tshHDXM0RcJv5bE&m=9sw9nyzLNUg6DZYGzlnK8WkqhJdEJxryDRavaNpfwNMSxaa79ZFZWW8vRTN-vlYl&s=5PsHZ_THYKyYMRd4pt-OSXUfkvjCuV2Pd1MZ9CSLcuI&e=>
>>>
>>> On that thread, your response was in full defence of NRS as you really
>>> went on to explaib what they are all about as though you had insider
>>> knowledge of the organization.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Noah
>>>
>>>
>>> Nope… It was a statement against certain misinformation being
>>> promulgated by you at the time.
>>>
>>> It was based on the publicly available record at the time and not any
>>> internal knowledge or affiliation with NRS.
>>>
>>> I don’t agree with lots of things Larus is doing/has done, but I’m
>>> supporting them in their law suits because I believe the board and staff
>>> are just plain wrong in their effort to revoke their membership based on a
>>> plain text reading of the provisions cited by the board and staff in their
>>> various affidavits and correspondence.
>>>
>>> Facts are facts. When I see misinformation and/or disinformation, I will
>>> tend to speak out against it, even when I don’t agree with or support the
>>> party being attacked.
>>>
>>
>> These would have to be alternative facts from your track record on the
>> AFRINIC lists :-)
>>
>> Omo
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