<div dir="auto">Hi Stephen<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Yeah I see and agree with what you mean about personal level discussions which differs from Internet Governance and Policy Development topics.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best regards</div><div dir="auto">Fernando</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 10 Jun 2022, 15:49 Middleton, Stephen R, <<a href="mailto:stephen.r.middleton@verizon.com">stephen.r.middleton@verizon.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hello Fernando,<div><br></div><div>I agree, the topic of vote buying and similar is worthy of discussion as it could lead to or shape a policy discussion. But is it worthy to discuss ARIN members on a personal level? I think the topic got into the weeds fairly quickly.<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.3333px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"NeueHaasGroteskText Std",sans-serif"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.3333px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"NeueHaasGroteskText Std",sans-serif"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.3333px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"NeueHaasGroteskText Std",sans-serif">Best Regards,</span><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"NeueHaasGroteskText Std",sans-serif;color:black"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"NeueHaasGroteskText Std",sans-serif;color:black"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.verizon.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"NeueHaasGroteskText Std",sans-serif;color:blue"><img border="0" width="90" height="20" src="https://ss7.vzw.com/is/image/VerizonWireless/vz-sig-verizon?$defaultscale$" alt="Verizon"></span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"NeueHaasGroteskText Std",sans-serif;color:black"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"NeueHaasGroteskText Std",sans-serif;color:black"><br>Stephen R. Middleton, Sr.<br></span><span style="font-family:nhg-text-bold,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:14px">Princ Engr-Ntwk Engring</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"NeueHaasGroteskText Std",sans-serif;color:black"><br></span><span style="font-family:nhg-text-bold,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:14px">Network Engineering and Ops</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"NeueHaasGroteskText Std",sans-serif;color:black"><br>
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<p>Hello Stephen</p>
<p>Although I am not much involved in this discussion, although I
commented I have to say that I often see this type of questioning
in the list and I personally don't see the list exclusively to
discuss policies, but anything that may have to do with them and
with this Policy Development Discussion ecosystem we are all
involved.<br>
<br>
People participating here take in consideration a lot of details
to form their opinion and discuss about the proposed policies and
anything that may have to do with an attack against a RIR, a
tentative of manipulation of the process being the PDP or election
to the Board or any RIR that may also happen in this one should be
of the concern of everybody involved, so they can have more
information to form their opinion regarding the effects of each
proposal that is presented here and its possible effects.<br>
<br>
Finally and not less important, although we have Regional RIRs the
effects of trouble happening in other RIRs have the potential to
affect how things work for all others and by consequence the whole
of Internet, so another reason is good that people participating
in the this list get this related information to take in account
when discussing any proposed policies and also if that kind of
trouble could also happen here.<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
Fernando<br>
</p>
<div>On 10/06/2022 15:08, Middleton, Stephen
R via ARIN-PPML wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Greetings,<br clear="all">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><br>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Not meaning to be a wet
blanket but which ARIN policy is this discussion in
relation to? I seem to recall that the PPML List is
to "p</span>rovide a forum to raise and discuss
policy-related ideas and issues surrounding existing
and proposed ARIN policies."<br>
<br>
Perhaps the community would be better served if the
current conversation to a forum more focused on the
topic being discussed?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><br>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Best Regards,</span><br>
</p>
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</span></p>
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Stephen R. Middleton, Sr.<br>
</span><span style="font-family:nhg-text-bold,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:14px">Princ
Engr-Ntwk Engring</span><span><br>
</span><span style="font-family:nhg-text-bold,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:14px">Network
Engineering and Ops</span><span><br>
<br>
22001 Loudoun County Parkway; F1-2-277<br>
Ashburn, VA 20147<br>
<br>
</span><span>Office
703.694.6965</span><span><br>
<a href="mailto:stephen.r.middleton@one.verizon.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:rgb(0,102,204)">stephen.r.middleton@one.verizon.com</span></a><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at
12:14 PM Omo Oaiya <<a href="mailto:kodion@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">kodion@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 at
16:29, Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>On Jun 10, 2022, at 05:22 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div dir="auto">
<div><br>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 00:19 Owen DeLong via
ARIN-PPML, <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
Yes, there’s no secret that I am a
consultant to Cloud Innovation and<br>
Larus, Ltd.</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">True story.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">
<div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
However, I have no involvement or
affiliation with NRS and<br>
no desire to have same.</blockquote>
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</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Internet archives never
forget.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.afrinic.net_pipermail_rpd_2021_013810.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=PNlZCOTcrBXvix6v31kntg680rC2tshHDXM0RcJv5bE&m=9sw9nyzLNUg6DZYGzlnK8WkqhJdEJxryDRavaNpfwNMSxaa79ZFZWW8vRTN-vlYl&s=5PsHZ_THYKyYMRd4pt-OSXUfkvjCuV2Pd1MZ9CSLcuI&e=" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013810.html</a><br>
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<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">On that thread, your
response was in full defence of NRS as you
really went on to explaib what they are
all about as though you had insider
knowledge of the organization.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Cheers,</div>
<div dir="auto">Noah</div>
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<br>
<div>Nope… It was a statement against certain
misinformation being promulgated by you at the
time.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It was based on the publicly available record
at the time and not any internal knowledge or
affiliation with NRS.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I don’t agree with lots of things Larus is
doing/has done, but I’m supporting them in their
law suits because I believe the board and staff
are just plain wrong in their effort to revoke
their membership based on a plain text reading of
the provisions cited by the board and staff in
their various affidavits and correspondence.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Facts are facts. When I see misinformation
and/or disinformation, I will tend to speak out
against it, even when I don’t agree with or
support the party being attacked.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>These would have to be alternative facts from your
track record on the AFRINIC lists :-) </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Omo <br>
</div>
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