[arin-ppml] Thanks! - and a couple of reminders... (was: Re: CEO that takes the time to answer all questions)

[Fernando Frediani]

Sure John, I always seek to do.

However these type of things have to be questioned publicly.
I don't really agree that most things should be a topic for arin-discuss 
really. Many will, but not all that is not necessarily linked to a 
specific proposal. Just a few examples can be: how this own mail-list 
works, how the AC is structured, ideas of possible policy proposals to 
be presented here, etc

I hope whenever a possible change gets to be discussed, if that´s the 
community feeling, it doesn't get blocked because a few people from ARIN 
think otherwise.

Regards
Fernando

On 24/07/2022 17:36, John Curran wrote:
> Fernando -
>
> Discussion of “facts that happen in other RIRs or general Internet 
> Governance” topics is simply wonderful in concept,
> but it is not inevitable that such discussion is intermingled with 
> consideration of specific policy ideas and proposals –
> for example, such general topics could be discussed on a more general 
> purpose "arin-discuss” mailing list.
>
> In the meantime, the charter of the ARIN-PPML mailing list remains 
> as-is, and please adhere to it in your postings
>
> Thanks!
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>
>
>> On 24 Jul 2022, at 3:26 PM, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> This doesn't look nice, either the way it is written or the way it is 
>> understood by ARIN.
>> Policy-related ideas and issues can mean a lot of things, including 
>> facts that happen in other RIRs or general Internet Governance area 
>> that can impact that was people discuss and agree on policies here. 
>> This is fundamental to make up peoples mind when putting their 
>> reasons for supporting or not a proposal.
>>
>> I can understand ARIN possible concerns in order to avoid turning 
>> this email list in a general discuss list that could end up putting 
>> away truly interested people, but in the other hand it is necessary 
>> to be flexible enough to not close abruptly any discussions that are 
>> raised here and that is not necessarily attached to a given proposal 
>> or draft and be able to separate the different type of discussions 
>> which we know is not an easy thing
>>
>> The text as it is looks fine for me, but if ARIN still chooses to not 
>> interpret in a different and more flexible way I would be happy to 
>> support whatever necessary changes to make it in such way.
>>
>> Thanks for the clarification around this topic
>> Regards
>> Fernando
>>
>> On 19/07/2022 15:30, John Curran wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 19 Jul 2022, at 2:07 PM, Fernando Frediani 
>>>> <fhfrediani at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi John
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the response back to community.
>>>> But let take easier this thing about discussions on ARIN PPML 
>>>> mailing list. I know some people may not like of find it strange 
>>>> discussions that are not necessarily and exactly around a given 
>>>> proposal but it is not necessary to be like that.
>>>>
>>>> Basically anything that has to do with ARIN PPML being a proposal 
>>>> or not it is fair to be discussed here, including how the CEO of 
>>>> ARIN interacts with its community and clarify all necessary 
>>>> information. That´s undoubtedly is of high importance and other 
>>>> topics that may affect in some way the discussions here and how 
>>>> community makes up their minds to support or not a proposal. …
>>>>
>>> Fernando -
>>>
>>> That’s not quite correct, as the scope of the arin-ppml mailing list 
>>> is quite clear, and postings must be more than simply tangentially 
>>> related to ARIN policy.
>>>
>>> As provided per 
>>> <https://www.arin.net/participate/community/mailing_lists/#public-policy-mailing-list> 
>>> –
>>>
>>>     Open to the general public. Provides a forum to raise and
>>>     discuss policy-related ideas and issues surrounding existing and
>>>     proposed ARIN policies. The PPML list is an intrinsic part of
>>>     ARIN’s Policy Development Process
>>>     <https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/>, which details
>>>     how proposed policies are handled.
>>>
>>>     Discussion on PPML can cover a variety of policy related topics,
>>>     and ARIN encourages free discussion. ARIN announcements to the
>>>     PPML about policy proposals or draft policies include the
>>>     proposal number or draft policy number in the subject field.
>>>     Please retain the policy number in the subject line when you
>>>     make comments about specific proposals or draft policies
>>>     <https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/>. Your post or
>>>     reply should open with a statement of support or nonsupport for
>>>     the topic to allow others to follow discussions of interest more
>>>     easily and make your position clear.
>>>
>>> If you want a more open forum for discussion of overall issues 
>>> related to ARIN (i.e. more than just topics that are  “policy 
>>> related ideas and issues”), I would suggest that you support that 
>>> position in the open consultation I referenced previously.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> /John
>>>
>>> John Curran
>>> President and CEO
>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>>>
>>>
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