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<p>Sure John, I always seek to do.</p>
<p>However these type of things have to be questioned publicly.<br>
I don't really agree that most things should be a topic for
arin-discuss really. Many will, but not all that is not
necessarily linked to a specific proposal. Just a few examples can
be: how this own mail-list works, how the AC is structured, ideas
of possible policy proposals to be presented here, etc<br>
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<p>I hope whenever a possible change gets to be discussed, if that´s
the community feeling, it doesn't get blocked because a few people
from ARIN think otherwise.</p>
<p>Regards<br>
Fernando<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/07/2022 17:36, John Curran wrote:<br>
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Fernando -
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<div class="">Discussion of “facts that happen in other RIRs or
general Internet Governance” topics is simply wonderful in
concept, </div>
<div class="">but it is not inevitable that such discussion is
intermingled with consideration of specific policy ideas and
proposals – </div>
<div class="">for example, such general topics could be discussed
on a more general purpose "arin-discuss” mailing list. </div>
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<div class="">In the meantime, the charter of the ARIN-PPML
mailing list remains as-is, and please adhere to it in your
postings</div>
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<div class="">Thanks!</div>
<div class="">/John</div>
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<div class="">John Curran</div>
<div class="">President and CEO</div>
<div class="">American Registry for Internet Numbers</div>
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<div class="">On 24 Jul 2022, at 3:26 PM, Fernando Frediani
<<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<p class="">Hello</p>
<p class="">This doesn't look nice, either the way it is
written or the way it is understood by ARIN.<br
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Policy-related ideas and issues can mean a lot of
things, including facts that happen in other RIRs or
general Internet Governance area that can impact that
was people discuss and agree on policies here. This is
fundamental to make up peoples mind when putting their
reasons for supporting or not a proposal.</p>
<p class="">I can understand ARIN possible concerns in
order to avoid turning this email list in a general
discuss list that could end up putting away truly
interested people, but in the other hand it is
necessary to be flexible enough to not close abruptly
any discussions that are raised here and that is not
necessarily attached to a given proposal or draft and
be able to separate the different type of discussions
which we know is not an easy thing<br class="">
</p>
<p class="">The text as it is looks fine for me, but if
ARIN still chooses to not interpret in a different and
more flexible way I would be happy to support whatever
necessary changes to make it in such way.</p>
<p class="">Thanks for the clarification around this
topic<br class="">
Regards<br class="">
Fernando<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/07/2022 15:30, John
Curran wrote:<br class="">
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<div class="">On 19 Jul 2022, at 2:07 PM,
Fernando Frediani <<a
href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<p class="">Hi John</p>
<p class="">Thanks for the response back to
community.<br class="">
But let take easier this thing about
discussions on ARIN PPML mailing list. I
know some people may not like of find it
strange discussions that are not
necessarily and exactly around a given
proposal but it is not necessary to be
like that.<br class="">
</p>
<p class="">Basically anything that has to
do with ARIN PPML being a proposal or not
it is fair to be discussed here, including
how the CEO of ARIN interacts with its
community and clarify all necessary
information. That´s undoubtedly is of high
importance and other topics that may
affect in some way the discussions here
and how community makes up their minds to
support or not a proposal. …</p>
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Fernando -
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<div class="">That’s not quite correct, as the
scope of the arin-ppml mailing list is quite
clear, and postings must be more than simply
tangentially related to ARIN policy. </div>
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<div class="">As provided per <<a
href="https://www.arin.net/participate/community/mailing_lists/#public-policy-mailing-list"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.arin.net/participate/community/mailing_lists/#public-policy-mailing-list</a>>
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Open to the general public. Provides a forum
to raise and discuss policy-related ideas
and issues surrounding existing and proposed
ARIN policies. The PPML list is an intrinsic
part of <a
href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/"
style="box-sizing: border-box; color:
rgb(0, 122, 153);" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">ARIN’s Policy
Development Process</a>, which details how
proposed policies are handled.</p>
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Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji",
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Discussion on PPML can cover a variety of
policy related topics, and ARIN encourages
free discussion. ARIN announcements to the
PPML about policy proposals or draft
policies include the proposal number or
draft policy number in the subject field.
Please retain the policy number in the
subject line when you make comments about
specific <a
href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/"
style="box-sizing: border-box; color:
rgb(0, 122, 153);" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">proposals or draft
policies</a>. Your post or reply should
open with a statement of support or
nonsupport for the topic to allow others to
follow discussions of interest more easily
and make your position clear.</div>
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"Liberation Sans", sans-serif,
"Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI
Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol",
"Noto Color Emoji"; font-size:
16px;" class="">
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If you want a more open forum for discussion of
overall issues related to ARIN (i.e. more than
just topics that are “policy related ideas and
issues”), I would suggest that you support that
position in the open consultation I referenced
previously.</div>
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<div class="">Thanks!</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">/John</div>
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<div class="">John Curran</div>
<div class="">President and CEO</div>
<div class="">American Registry for Internet
Numbers</div>
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