[arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

[Owen DeLong]

> On Sep 13, 2021, at 15:43 , Joe Maimon <jmaimon at chl.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Owen DeLong wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2021, at 14:54 , Joe Maimon <jmaimon at chl.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Strongly disagree in yet additional government intrusion into private market, the individuals right to choose what to build sell or purchase is part of your freedom to live how you choose. Dont take it for granted.
>> I’m confused… If the government stops buying from suppliers who don’t meet this criteria, how is that intrusion into a private market?
>> 
>> The individual (or company) in question is still absolutely free to do as they wish. However, they forego receiving government business if they choose not to implement IPv6.
>> 
>> That’s capitalism at its finest. The government wants a certain behavior and it votes with its dollars to patronize the companies that behave accordingly?
>> 
>> Isn’t this how things are supposed to work?
> 
> Apparently I misread what you wrote to apply to the broad public. As pointed out, government contracts do already contain these sort of provisions and we have seen their effectiveness.

Nope… I was suggesting USG stop buying anything from any company with a website not usable from a v6 only network.

> 
>>> Not opposed. However, in reality, this just becomes a checkbox the likes we have seen before, and it costs money that might have been better spent elsewhere, like in actually delivering broadband.
>> Well… All the USF money poured into that so far hasn’t managed it, so we might as well have it provide something useful, like IPv6 progress in the process.
>> 
>>> There is only one effective and acceptable approach to deploying IPv6 any quicker than is happening now, and that is to focus on providing tangible benefit to its users now, today.
>> I’m already getting tangible benefit from having IPv6 today. Since that’s already being done, I think you’ll have to come up with a better answer.
>> 
>> Owen
> 
> I am curious, what exactly is the benefit to you, who has plenty of IPv4 (not that I mind)? Other than the educational, the emotional or resume padding?

I know that it’s common place these days to simply expect that everyone is out for themselves. Believe it or not, I actually want to see the internet progress
and move beyond IPv4. I want to see the end-to-end model restored and see a world where the applications that are possible in that environment can come
to fruition.

> Which protocols or network destination are now communicable in any improved fashion?

Well, that’s the rub, right… As long as we are shackled by these bonds to a world of consumer NAT and address shortage, we’ll never see the improvements that are possible in an unshackled world.

That’s why I want to see the shackles removed and the net opened to new possibilities. Unfortunately, there’s a remarkably vocal resistance to freedom among the oppressed that I have difficulty understanding.

Owen