[arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

[Joe Maimon]

Owen DeLong wrote:
> Nope… I was suggesting USG stop buying anything from any company with 
> a website not usable from a v6 only network. 

That might help a little for IPv6 deployment but I doubt very much it 
will not be riddled with waivers and of course, the unintended side 
effects.

However, meh.

>> I am curious, what exactly is the benefit to you, who has plenty of IPv4 (not that I mind)? Other than the educational, the emotional or resume padding?
> I know that it’s common place these days to simply expect that everyone is out for themselves. Believe it or not, I actually want to see the internet progress
> and move beyond IPv4. I want to see the end-to-end model restored and see a world where the applications that are possible in that environment can come
> to fruition.

I believe most people familiar with these concepts agree with you, 
however not everyone is in the position to do as you have done in order 
to make aspiration reality, combined with the fact that at minimum a 
significant minority could not care less, weakening further any 
motivation that would exist even for those who may.

Since thats all easily understandable and predictable, basing a 
deployment model on that was extremely short sighted, to put it kindly.
>
>> Which protocols or network destination are now communicable in any improved fashion?
> Well, that’s the rub, right… As long as we are shackled by these bonds to a world of consumer NAT and address shortage, we’ll never see the improvements that are possible in an unshackled world.

And that is why deploying IPv6 in this manner was doomed to failure and 
indeed, has and continues to fail. Blame that for your continued 
enshacklement. I knew you would come around!

>
> That’s why I want to see the shackles removed and the net opened to new possibilities. Unfortunately, there’s a remarkably vocal resistance to freedom among the oppressed that I have difficulty understanding.
>
> Owen
>
Let me help you with that. The resistance is to deploying something that 
does not help them today and the resistance is in trying to deploy 
things that help them today.

Whats hard to understand is how you ever expected there to be no such 
resistance.

If you actually want IPv6 to succeed, it must be useful now. It must 
become possible to run IPv6 only and still have an internet available to 
you. It must be possible to deploy an IPv6 only service and it still be 
generally usable to the internet.

Otherwise we will continue slowly down this road and probably perhaps 
maybe eventually reach the end goal.

Joe