[arin-ppml] Open Petition for ARIN-2020-2

[scott at solarnetone.org]

Hi Alyssa,

Good to speak with you.  Perhaps I mispoke... how many organizations were 
removed from the waitlist and are still seeking larger allocations?  If 
my understanding of the original issue appears unclear, please enlighten 
me!

I am trying to determine if orgs other than the petitioner were 
effected; if so, how many, and what effect that would have on ARIN's 
related inventory of addresses allocatable via the waitlist (not including 
4.10s, etc.).

Thanks,
Scott

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021, Alyssa Moore wrote:

> Hi Scott,
> 
> Anita Nikolich (AC member) answered this on Dec 16:
> 
> >Please note (and you can refer to the Nov AC minutes) that organizations
> that are currently on the waitlist won’t be affected, because the next
> disbursement of v4 would fulfill all the exempted orgs as well as the ones
> remaining on the list. The overall impact to the current waitlist is
> non-existent from these requests. 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:21 AM <scott at solarnetone.org> wrote:
>       Hi John,
>
>       In these deliberations, I think it would be useful to know how
>       many actual
>       ARIN Member Organizations would be effected.  I am not talking
>       about
>       downstream customers, affiliates, or the like, but only resource
>       holders
>       on the actual waitlist.  Does John Sweeting have any metrics as
>       to this?
>       Further, if all effected organizations were to receive the
>       allocations
>       they are seeking, what percentage of the available address
>       inventory would
>       be immediately exhausted?
>
>       Thanks,
>       Scott
>
>       On Thu, 14 Jan 2021, John Curran wrote:
>
>       > On 14 Jan 2021, at 11:00 AM, Michael B. Williams
>       > <Michael.Williams at glexia.com> wrote:
>       >
>       >       How does ARIN analyze the response from this? Is there
>       weight
>       >       given only to ARIN member organizations or any
>       organization? If
>       >       anyone is given consideration, what is to stop people
>       from
>       >       lobbying individuals and other organizations to send an
>       email to
>       >       support their agenda? For example, I could very easily
>       find 500
>       >       people to respond to this email saying they do not
>       support the
>       >       policy. If I were a malicious actor trying to influence
>       policy
>       >       discussion and were to offer some sort of incentive for
>       those to
>       >       reply I could easily have thousands of organizations
>       supporting
>       >       this policy one way or another. 
>       >
>       > My feelings would be the majority of the weight should be
>       given to
>       > ARIN member organizations voices as part of the tallying
>       process. If
>       > that is the case, perhaps we should ask those organizations to
>       include
>       > their ARIN org id?
>       >
>       >
>       > Michael - 
>       >
>       > The ARIN Policy Development Process specifies the petition
>       appeal process,
>       > and the sole criteria for a successful petition is expressions
>       of support
>       > from at least 25 different people from 25 different
>       organizations.  
>       >
>       > Note that a successful petition simply means that the policy –
>       without any
>       > recommendation of adoption from the ARIN Advisory Council –
>       will be sent to
>       > the ARIN Board of Trustees for their consideration of possible
>       adoption.
>       >  Also note that for the purpose of determining petition
>       success, ARIN staff
>       > will only be counting those messages which clearly indicate
>       support for the
>       > petition and include both the submitters name and their
>       organization. 
>       >
>       > The ARIN Board is on the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List, and
>       will see any
>       > discussion of substantial merits or concerns with the policy. 
>       Each trustee
>       > is free to weight such input as they see fit, but at this
>       point it is not a
>       > numerical question – as we are not seeking a poll of support
>       or opposition
>       > to the policy – but rather simply whether at least 25
>       organizations feel
>       > (despite the ARIN AC’s decision not to recommend) that policy
>       warrants
>       > consideration by the ARIN Board of Trustees.  
>       >
>       > Thanks,
>       > /John
>       >
>       > John Curran
>       > President and CEO
>       > American Registry for Internet Numbers
>       >
>       >
>       >
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